Posts by Dunedain

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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.

by Dunedain in

i am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.

in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.

it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.

Dunedain

@ - DataDog - Hey, pour me a cold one, brother, lol.

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The Elders are Coming Help!

by LaurenM in

so the elders keep bugging me and pestering me about having a meeting with them to "introduce me to my new congregation" for some reason (do any ex elders know what that even means??).

i keep postponing and making excuses and they are getting more and more aggressive.

i finally agreed for them to come over today, but really don't want to..should i hide from them again?

Dunedain

@ - LaurenM - Not to make light of the situation, because it does seem the possibility of the elders coming is disturbing you, but they are nothing. Remember, they are just men. They have no power over you. The only "power" these men have, is the "power" we give them by allowing them to control us.

It doesnt seem you have done anything "wrong", so what do you have to worry about. If you dont want to meet with them, then DON'T. You do NOT have to do anything you don't want to. Besides just completely ignoring them, you could say you are not feeling well, or very busy at work, WHATEVER works for you.

I know it is easier said than done, but try to relax, and don't let these, overstepping, unloving, judgemental, witch hunters, dictate ANYTHING in YOUR life. Screw em, and maybe instead, have a good time, and give yourself a few laughs, by "messing" with THEM. Cancel on them, last minute, prank phone call them on the day they are to come, do whatever and laugh while you do, especially as you remember that they are just men, nothing else.

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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.

by Dunedain in

i am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.

in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.

it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.

Dunedain

@ - DataDog - I think you might have mis-understood. The point is NOT to say these things AT a study, but to PERSONALLY use it as a way to bring these questions up, one on one with a JW, by saying someone you are studying WITH was asking you.

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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.

by Dunedain in

i am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.

in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.

it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.

Dunedain

@ - Village Idiot - Good point, but i doubt the "elders" would do that right away. Their initial reaction will not be, Who is that, or whats their name, they probably wouldnt want to come off that way from the door. That being said, then MAKE UP A NAME, and "studies" stop studying all the time. The point is to just be getting the info out, not that every week you are going to ask the elders things, from the "study". Its about planting tiny seeds, here and there. Also, you do not have to say it was a study, say you were witnessing to a co-worker. The seed is planted, and i doubt they will ask the name of a co-worker.

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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.

by Dunedain in

i am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.

in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.

it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.

Dunedain

I am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already. In fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea. It is a "tactic" that my Father uses, to great effect, and he is a CURRENT JW.

As we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the WTS. The main issue of why a large portion of rank and file members don not "go any further" once they stumble upon info, is because the GB has done an excellent job of "demonising", and labeling things "apostate".

Many times we hear, or have personally experienced, many R&F members, or even our family members, refusing to hear ANYTHING that "questions" the WTS. Once we may start to get into a conversation, concerning ANYTHING, from the child abuse scandals, false date prophesies, "roots" of the ORG, or whatever, they quickly close their minds to what is being said, and nothing may sink in.

Our "tactics" are often times, done correctly, lovingly, and even from an "academic", or "logic" perspective, but still NOTHING. The GB has, in many cases, done a great job of "stigmatising" anything which could "wake" up a JW to the REAL truth.

So now we get to the reason for this post. This "tactic", can be employed by all of us, whether we are DF'd, a ranking JW, an Elder, a MS, a publisher, non baptised, and any of us who are IN or OUT. For most that are IN, one of the biggest "badges" of "spirituality" is if you have a STUDY. The simple idea here is to use your "STUDY" as a means to give information to the R&F and family that are in, about the TTATT.

Very simply, what my Father does, and that all of us can do, is to bring up SPECIFIC "points" to others in the congregation, but under the guise that YOUR/OUR STUDYS are asking them. It is very simple and yet brilliant, at the same time. When it is done this way, it ABSOLVES you of being the one bringing up these "appostate" points, and puts the "burden" on the "study". Whether you have a study, or NOT, doesnt matter. It is simply about using the "study" as the means to ask these questions, and as an avenue to get this information "out there".

An example of this could be if you went to an elder and said, "my study was on such and such website, and they brought up about the child abuse scandals, and the ARC, have YOU heard about this, and what should i tell my study". Or to anyone who is perceived as being "strong spiritually", you could ask about the generations changes, or 607, or blood, or the United Nations, or the many, many other points and "truth" that we know, but ALWAYS under the "guise" that it is a question that our studies are having.

There was a thread here, about a month ago, where we all said where we are from, and we are all over America, United Kingdom, Australia, Europe, and many other countries. If we ALL did this, by simply raising these issues, we could get the TTATT to many all over the world. The beauty about this, though, is that there is no "backlash" on us, because when you use the mentioning of these points as coming from a "study", or even "someone" we are just talking about the "truth" to, then the "negative" connotations dont come down on us.

Remember, the purpose of doing this, is NOT to get answers from those we mention this "apostate" info to, but to simply put this info out there to the people that normally would not "listen" to it.

It is a simple approach, but one, i fell, could be VERY effective. When you are speaking to a JW, or a JW family member, once you say that I read such and such, they INSTANTLY close themselves off to you. However, when you go to these same people, and say MY STUDY said such and such, well they may "disarm" themselves mentally, and allow the info, at a very minimum, to be HEARD.

We can say our "studys" brought up topics like blood fractions, child abuse, silent lambs.org, Australian royal commision, date changes from 1799, 1914, 1925, 1975, misquotes or blatant lies in literature, the orgs "roots" like pyramidology, or whatever you want. Now, by just bringing up these points, we can spread the REAL truth, and to many that would have ordinarilly "shut themselves off" to hearing it.

Even a DF'd person, if you are lucky enough to still talk to any of your JW family members, you could say these points were brought up to you by someone you were talking to. You could even bring it up, like you were considering "going back", but these points were brought to your attention.

If you do not have a study, or have one, but do not want to "alienate" them by making some think that the "questions" are coming from them, then just make a study up. You could even start the process by, for a few months before, start adding 1 study on the feild service time slips, and then that could be your "imaginary study" that is bringing up all these "questions".

Again, the purpose is to put this TTATT out there to the R&F, who would normally close themselves off to hearing it. Raise these questions to EVERYONE you can. Raise them to Elders, raise them to MS, raise them to pioneers, raise them to your stuborn family members, raise them to ALL in the hall, but without the "stigma", because you are "asking for a study who is REALLY interested".

Sorry for the long post, but i think this simple approach, and especially at the crucial time with all that is happening in the ORG, it can be just whats needed to wake up many. Good luck.

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Elder's letter requesting details of solicitors, barristers and accountants

by jwfacts in

there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.

what would be their motive for these details?

the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.

Dunedain

I hope someone sends this letter to the "higher ups" at the Australian royal commision. Especially, if this is a tactic of the WTS to try and do some "shady" things in response to the recent "findings" from the commision. Like if they are going to "use" these "company" men to help them hide funds, or "navigate" whats coming.

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Australian Royal Commission Findings released

by Mephis in

will just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.

in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.

available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

Dunedain

WOW

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As another Xmas approaches...

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

i hope everyone here is well and staying strong x .

another year, another year with no armageddon.. i have noticed the jw pals and family become more frenzied of late, small things in the news wind them up and make them more hysterical than ever.

the events in paris were horrendous, but to a jw they mean the end is near...........why wasn't it near when chechnya was in the shit?

Dunedain

Um, Christmas is pagan!!!!!

LOL

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Australian Royal Commission Findings released

by Mephis in

will just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.

in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.

available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.

Dunedain

As the WTS LOVES to say, "the LAST days here", and they couldnt be more right, for their first time in over 140 years. Yes, my friends, behold, we ARE witnessing the last days, the last days of the WTS. The nail in the coffin is being hammered in, as we speak.

Behold, the "fruit" is ROTTEN. Its "roots", are old and withered. Its "branches" are cracked, and falling. Its "bark" is torn away, and the EVIL is exposed for all to see.

Beware WTS, your days are numbered. Your doctrines of lies, and your years of false prophesies, are ending. A great storm is upon you, and it will wash away your UNLOVING teachings. Your days of splitting up families, and "damning" fellow humans, are over.

The ROT is from the very top, to the furthest ends of its roots. Bugs are feasting on your "flesh", water does not nurture your soul. You are the breeder of decay, and mush, the very fibers of your "body", stinks of "death".

With one fell push, and one mighty swing of the axe, you will fall into a great, rotting, heap of decay. There will be a, mighty, thunderous report, as you hit, the cold, hard earth, and no one will mourn your loss. No, instead, the singing will be of your demise, and the poor, and down trodden, will rejoice in your end. The children will play, as their tormentor is gone, and there shall be tears of joy, as your hate has been crushed.

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The FINAL DAYS are here !!!

by Calebs Airplane in

according to this jw video... now is the time to preach without fear!

now that the final days are here!.

the final days were not here previously (as they kept insisting for over 140 years)... but now they are!.

Dunedain

The FINAL days for the WTS is HERE. Thats about the ONLY thing they got right. Their days are numbered, and they have no "sense" of who they are anymore.

Should we act a bit like scientology, should we act a bit like born agains, maybe take a bit from evangelicals? You can tell THIS is what they are trying to do, BECAUSE they do not know where they stand.

When false prophecies FAIL, and doctrines change with the wind, and their numbers are dwindling, and they cannot keep the young ones in, and the old ones are tired of the lies, and the new ones learn TTATT quickly, from just the touch of a computer button, you get DESPERATE.

They are DESPERATE, and a video like this one, is pure PROPOGANDA, to try a give JW's a "sense of comraderie". Trying to say they all belong together in the JW "club". No THANKS, we, and many others are starting to see, that it is NOT the JW "club", its the JW CULT, and we dont want it.