Posts by Dunedain

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Elders who dislike other congregation elders

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my congregation had four elders who had different personalities.you would see a little friction among themselves.. #1 self-righteous and the 800 pound gorilla.he would push everyone around in the congregation and even some fellow elders.. # 2 elder was around 80 years old and looked like he stuck around a little too long.it looked like he was around because he never decided to give up the position.his duty became very light as he aged.. # 3 elder was in his early 30's and newly elected.he made no waves and whatever was asked of him in the congregation he would do.easy to push around like a little puppy dog.. #4 elder (who everyone liked ) was easy to get along with and had a family who everyone loved.

he didn't like elder # 1. they had a power struggle amongst each other which everyone observed while the meetings were in session.. here are 2 small verbal fights that i observed while the congregation meetings were in session:.

while elder # 1 was giving a talk ( heavy rain storms are brewing outside with loud thunder and lightning ) the microphones and lights are knocked out.we lost all power and could barely see.

Dunedain

What i think this really all comes down to, and actually its rather simple, is that most Elders are ASSHOLES. They are egotistical, self-righteous, power hungry, MEN.

When i was a child growing up in this organisation, i thought Elders were these "perfect men", worthy of being looked up to. As i got older, until i was ultimately out 20 years ago, when i was in my early 20's, i started realising how really deficient human beings they were. These men were babies, haughty, evil, back-stabbing, uneducated, tactless, judgemental, WEIRD, fake, and some of the worst of the worst.

In the "real" world, many of these men, were nothing. They couldnt even function, or hold down a job, or financially support their families. Of course, there are always exceptions to the rules, and in all ways too. I knew some elders who were AWESOME people, but unfortunately they held NO true "power". It was, and is, always the assholes who are at the top, and harrassing the sheeple, and in this man-made religion it will always be this way until its, soon to be, END.

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Do most ex JW's go politically left?

by Lightgrowsbrighter in

i've found it interesting that- imho- most of the politically vocal ex-jw's at this website seem to lean left.

i'm personally pretty centered- right on some issues, left on others, but overall have a pretty cynical view of all political/religious leaders.

i find it somewhat ironic that people who leave such a dogmatic group like the witnesses become so politically dogmatic.

Dunedain

I am not overlly political. That being said, i actually consider myself more RIGHT wing. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with conservative, so-called Christian "values". In fact, on some domestic issues, i would be cnsidered "left".

Where i become "right" wing, is strictly on economice issues. Due to my financial situation, and that i am a self employed,business owner, it makes more sense for me to "relate" to Right wing. I own a fair number of multi-family homes in the NY, NJ, United states, area. If there is a democrat as President, when i sell a home, i MUST pay 36% Capital gains taxes to the government. However, if there is a Republican President in office, when i sell one of my homes, i only have to pay 18% capital gains taxes.

This is an "issue", that personally effects me. On CERTAIN social issues, i may be more centered, or even a bit left, and on other social issues i am right, too. On economic i have to be Right. If i sell a home and have to pay ALL those extra taxes, it would cripple me. I work very hard, and have invested a lot of hard earned money, time, and energy, into my business. I also employ people, and directly contribute to the economy. When i buy a home, i give the home improvements material places business, contractore, electricians, plumbers, all the business. I give townships business from permits, inspectors, mortgage lenders, real estate lawyers, home inspectors, and many many others, and this is when i purchase and re-hab 1 home.

If after doing all that work, and laying ut all that money, i could lose all my profit by having to pay it in taxes to the government, then i just aint gonna do it. That means all the list above does NOT get the business, and the money back into the economy. This is simple economics, and i am SMALL TIME. Now, with all this being said, if i were to have a conversation, and be friends, which i am, with all types, left, right, centered, you would find that we probably agree on MANY things. I am simply, from my own personal financial situations, a bit more Right wing.

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The lord of the rings

by BlackWolf in

now that i've found out ttatt i've been indulging in a lot of so called "spiritistic" entertainment lol.

i recently watched all of the lotr/hobitt movies and man were they awesome!!!

who knew spiritism could be so much fun lol.

Dunedain

The LOTR trilogys, and Tolkiens books, are incredible. If you google/look up my user name, you will see that I am, indeed, a HUGE LOTR fan, lol.

As mentioned above, Tolkien was a linguist, and invented many beautiful languages, including Elvish. His "works" started by first inventing certain languages, and then, in turn, wanting to create a "world" for these languages to be spoken in.

Tolkien started penning his stories while in the trenches of WW1. In fact, his "visions" of the evil land of Mordor, with its burnt, and destroyed landscape, were based on the battlefields of WW1, and the "no mans land" in between the German and British trenches.

To me personally, the beauty of Tolkiens work, is how not only was it an incredible, rich, vibrant "fantasy" story, but he wrote it as though it was real history. History of our world from an ancient, era, or epoch, of a long ago forgotten past. He mixed, fantasy writing, historical context, mythology, and linguistics, PERFECTLY together.

In many circles, he is known as the "master", and once you read his books, you can quickly understand why. If you are a fan of the movies, you will LOVE the books as well.

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In the past we taught it, but now we teach other thing....

by opusdei1972 in

i have been reading the watchtower study edition of march 2016. here some deceptive statements so as to justify their new lights:.

when were gods people held captive by babylon the great?.

that spiritual captivity lasted from the second century c.e.

Dunedain

To everyone here, which has been mirroring my thoughts as well, and saying "who cares" about all this "nonsense". We all have to remember, that the reason for all this BS, is to keep the rank and file distracted just enough, so that they dont see the "men behind the curtain".

With all the HEAVY crap thats going down, from law suits, the questioning of doctrine like generation changes, the apparant lack of money, child abuse issues, and the Australian royal commision, to just mention a few, they NEED to "distract" the sheeple.

Throwing out, an occasional, "new light" adjustment, is just them distracting, and trying to maintain an "air" of importance. Like they are, somehow , on the "pulse" of Jehovahs "spirit", and being "directed". In reality, however, it is all trivial, nonsense, and complete rubbish. Its like a pediatrician, "distracting" a baby with a teddy bear, as he sticks a needle in the babies ass. Its all "smoke and mirrors", and the WTS are PROS at it. They have been doing it for over 100 years now.

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Disgusted By Today's WT Study 12/6/15

by JW_Rogue in

no, not because of the message of deluding yourself into seeing the hand of god working in mundane wt activities.

that is to be expected from this org.

what really bothered me was the quote in paragraph one.

Dunedain

This reminds me of the "example" of a "brother" who is a farmer, and is praying for rain from Jehovah. This "brother" needs the rain to water his crops, so he in turn, can feed HIS family from the bounty of the crops."PLEASE Jehovah, let it rain".

YET

In the same congregation, you have a "brother" who is a contractor. His latest job is outdoors, and he needs to finish it, so he can get paid, and feed his family. So, this "brother" is praying to Jehovah that it DOESN'T rain. This way, if the weather stays clear, he can feed HIS family by being able to finish the job. "PLEASE Jehovah, let it NOT rain".

SO

Who does Jehovah love more? If it rains, does that mean he loved brother farmer more? Or if it doesnt rain, does that mean he loves brother contractor more? Or does Jehovah hate brother farmer, because it didnt rain? Or, because it did rain, does Jehovah hate brother contractor? Or maybe, just maybe, it MEANS NOTHING. In fact, the rain happens, dependant on NATURAL processes, that BOTH man, and Jehovah, DO NOT control at a whim.

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YMCA ? Are we allowed to go there or not?

by Quarterback in

half of our congregation goes there to work out because of the good pool facilities and prices, and the other half think that it's wrong due to it's old charter.

but no one is enforcing the wrong or right of it.

i'd be interested in knowing how this is being applied worldwide.

Dunedain

I know, personally, of a "sister" in my Fathers congregation, who is older and disabled. The YMCA in her area provided FREE physical therapy for her because of her disability and that she was a senior. Mind you, her own health insurance did NOT provide her any more paid therapy, so she looked for it elsewhere. Well, lovingly, she found a place that would provide this care, and for free, doesnt Jehovah bless his worshippers?

Well the answer is NO, or at least not when MEN come in to "dictate" what Jehovah does, because the elders AND the society themselves, said she could NOT go to the YMCA and take advantage of the free care. The reason we KNOW that this came directly from the top, is because she actually sent a letter to Bethel/GB, and told them of her specific situation, and that she needed the care, but did not have the financial means to get it, except thru the FREE care from the YMCA. Well, what did our "loving" mother ORG say, they said NO, that she could NOT go there any longer.

I can tell you, 100 percent, that this is a completely true story, as i personally know the "sister", and have seen with my own eyes, the letter she sent, and the response from the society. It is DISGUSTING how they treat their members, but can hypocritically do whatever THEY want, like joining the UN for "personal" reasons. SCUMBAGS

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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.

by Dunedain in

i am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.

in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.

it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.

Dunedain

@ - Billy - Good points, and sorry if you had made a similar thread, i had no idea, lol. That being said, i am not sure how long ago your "fade" was, but if i am not mistaken, i thought it was a few years ago. The reason i say this, is i am sure you will agree, that the WTS is in a much different place than it was, even a few years ago. It seems MANY are questioning, and many are waking up. The WTS is "shooting" themselves in the foot, with their many flip flops, and "lies" about money, and even the child abuse issues are far more common knowledge now.

At this time, the planting a many seeds, could really take "root", now more than ever. Who knows, but the very "seeds" that you planted Billy, may be taking root NOW, as well.

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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.

by Dunedain in

i am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.

in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.

it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.

Dunedain

@ - DataDog - Hey, pour me a cold one, brother, lol.

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The Elders are Coming Help!

by LaurenM in

so the elders keep bugging me and pestering me about having a meeting with them to "introduce me to my new congregation" for some reason (do any ex elders know what that even means??).

i keep postponing and making excuses and they are getting more and more aggressive.

i finally agreed for them to come over today, but really don't want to..should i hide from them again?

Dunedain

@ - LaurenM - Not to make light of the situation, because it does seem the possibility of the elders coming is disturbing you, but they are nothing. Remember, they are just men. They have no power over you. The only "power" these men have, is the "power" we give them by allowing them to control us.

It doesnt seem you have done anything "wrong", so what do you have to worry about. If you dont want to meet with them, then DON'T. You do NOT have to do anything you don't want to. Besides just completely ignoring them, you could say you are not feeling well, or very busy at work, WHATEVER works for you.

I know it is easier said than done, but try to relax, and don't let these, overstepping, unloving, judgemental, witch hunters, dictate ANYTHING in YOUR life. Screw em, and maybe instead, have a good time, and give yourself a few laughs, by "messing" with THEM. Cancel on them, last minute, prank phone call them on the day they are to come, do whatever and laugh while you do, especially as you remember that they are just men, nothing else.

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Simple, yet very effective way, for ALL to spread the TTATT to current JW family and friends, possible GAME CHANGER.

by Dunedain in

i am sure this has probably been thought about, and maybe others have mentioned it already.

in fact, i cant even take credit for this brilliant idea.

it is a "tactic" that my father uses, to great effect, and he is a current jw.. as we all know, there is a wealth of info on the internet, and many other sources, that clearly exposes the many lies of the wts.

Dunedain

@ - DataDog - I think you might have mis-understood. The point is NOT to say these things AT a study, but to PERSONALLY use it as a way to bring these questions up, one on one with a JW, by saying someone you are studying WITH was asking you.