Posts by Navigator

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Parlour Tricks of the Mind

by LittleToe in

i offer you a few recent musings, to consider.

i'm not trying to make statements of facts or argue for a set of beliefs, or anything of the sort.

i guess i'd just really like to discuss the subject of the mind without getting entrenched positions on the various subjects surrounding it.

I have had considerable opportunity to experience what Legolas is talking about. As a Navigator in the USAF I would sometimes find myself on long overwater flights, well outside of the range of navigational aides, and unable to obtain a celestial fix because of overcast skies. I would sometimes get a feeling in the pit of my stomach that I was "off course" to the right or left and should alter heading even though I had no logical reason to do so. Over time I learned to trust those feelings and make the course change. I suspect that my "sub-conscious" was processing information that my conscious mind was not aware of and manifesting the result as a bodily "feeling". I developed quite a reputation in my Squadron for being able to navigate with limited navigational equipment.

A more interesting question regarding the "sub-conscious" is Where is the sub-conscious?

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Can you really believe everything in the Bible?

by proplog2 in

if we take the bible at face value we are confronted with a serious problem.

how do we know when god is telling us the facts and when is he just telling us something he thinks we are capable of understanding?

this is not quite the same as the argument that god lies on occasion.

Navigator

Legolas

The book of Revelations was not part of the early "canon" and many of the early church fathers considered it unworthy to be included. I once mentioned to a Professor of Bible at Brite Divinity School (T.C.U.) that our class was studying the book of Revelation and asked him what we could expect from that study. His reply was that the most we could expect was to finish the study and still be good friends. I suspect that the writer was smoking "weed".

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New Video of DF announcement at door

by inbyathread in

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starting a new thread so that everyone can find the link.. this is the video of the elders trying to act smart stupid.

http://www.savefile.com/files2.php?fid=5509435.

they will keep the file as long as it is downloaded once every 14 days.. enjoy

Navigator

Sparkplug

Re: God's Final Judgment

I have Bad news and Good news. The Bad news is that there will indeed be a final judgment. The Good news is that the verdict is already in. It is NOT GUILTY! (A Course In Miracles, Manual for Teachers, p.38)

Nevertheless, how painful it will be for the elders to remember at that time that they have attempted usurp God's role by judging others. They seem to have forgotten that Jesus advised against condeming others lest they themselves be condemed. The practice of DFing is an organizational maintenance tactic based on Paul's advice to the Corinthians. Jesus was interested in individuals, not organizations.

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Can you really believe everything in the Bible?

by proplog2 in

if we take the bible at face value we are confronted with a serious problem.

how do we know when god is telling us the facts and when is he just telling us something he thinks we are capable of understanding?

this is not quite the same as the argument that god lies on occasion.

Navigator

In a word, NO! Has anyone ever considered why Jesus didn't have his disciples write down what he was teaching? I suspect he knew that it would be altered, massaged, added to so that it wouldn't be recogizable to those who orignally sat at his feet. There is some wonderful stuff in the Bible. In my view, the story of the Prodigal Son tells us everything we need to know about God and what our future will be.

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Christians - Do you believe the flood occurred?

by AlmostAtheist in

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when i was a bible believer, i accepted the flood.

the frozen mammoths and seashells on mountaintops were "evidence", but the only needed proof was simply that the bible said so.

as a christian, do you believe the flood story?.

Navigator

Old Flame

You should take a course in Geology 101 which would answer the questions you raised. We do find crustaceans in mountainous areas because of "upthrust" caused by internal pressures in the earth. You can be assured that all of this took place long before mankind was on the earth. The area around Yellowstone Park is experienciing this phenomenae right now and is of great concern to Vulcanologists.

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Christians - Do you believe the flood occurred?

by AlmostAtheist in

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when i was a bible believer, i accepted the flood.

the frozen mammoths and seashells on mountaintops were "evidence", but the only needed proof was simply that the bible said so.

as a christian, do you believe the flood story?.

Navigator

Hey Rodent Boy. What is your evidence that the Black Sea Theory was falsified? I doubt that the Science Channel would broadcast something that was not well documented and proven.

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Christians - Do you believe the flood occurred?

by AlmostAtheist in

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when i was a bible believer, i accepted the flood.

the frozen mammoths and seashells on mountaintops were "evidence", but the only needed proof was simply that the bible said so.

as a christian, do you believe the flood story?.

Navigator

One of the science channels has a research program concerning the flood. Seems as if when the ice age was ending, the water level in the Medditerranian rose and overtopped a natural dam in what is now the Black Sea area. Earth dams fail very quickly once overtopped and the result would have been catastrophic to the heavily populated area below sea level. A research ship found evidence of human habitation under the Black Sea that confirms this theory. It happened way before the Hebrew people got organized (When Moses led the wetbacks out of Egypt). The Jews borrowed that story from the Babylonians to make a theological point. It pays to listen to God! There probably never was an Ark.

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My wife is a JW, I'm not.

by Mrgij01 in

my wife and i have been married 6 years now.

she was a jw when we married as is her entire family.

i was, and still am, very attracted to her because of the way she carries herself and her compassion.. i would like anyone who has had a similar experiance or was a jw to better help me understand what is going on in their heads when it comes to birthdays and such.

Navigator

I'm an UBM as well. My wife was a methodist when I married her but became a JW while suffering from post partum depression. I can assure you that should you have children she will insist on them being raised as JWs. This is a source of unbelievable strain. The elders in the congregation will attempt to supplant your leadership of your family. It is a high control cult. Your children will be taught that they should not get too close to you as you will be destroyed at Armageddon. It took many years to get my children out of the cult and one is still in as he is married to a JW. My wife is a good woman, but not rational when it comes to the cult. She considers herself one of the 144,000 and works full time serving them. She will not participate in many of my activities such as Lions Clubs, Military Associations, etc. as they involve saluting the flag. She avoids contact with my church friends and others as they are considered "worldly people". I am very surprised that they allowed your wife to marry you. She must have convinced them that she could eventually convert you to be a JW. They rarely allow their members to marry outside the cult.

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ransom sacrifice question

by streets76 in

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ive been lurking for the past few weeks.

i was raised a jw, but was never baptized.

i faded away about 20 years ago, when, at the age of 27, i decided to go to college.

Navigator

The whole concept of the Ransom sacrifice presumes a God that requires same. That is no kind of God that I know. I believe that Jesus went through the process to demonstrate that death cannot hold us. That death itself can be overcome. You can't make the demonstration without going through the process.

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We just bought a house in........

by Bryan in

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lafayette!

it's not exactly a metropolitan hub of excitement, but it is a quaint place.

we bought a house in a little subdivision with one street in/out.

Navigator

Beautiful Home! Congratulations! Did anyone brief you on the size of the mosquitos in Layfayette?