if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Rebuttals to their 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 attempts to defend their nutty doctrines can be accessed
Thanks, I know those articles. None of them go into details though. I think there is no Watchtower study article in the last 100 years that covers all the relevant scriptures in details.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
When was the last time a WT study article discussed 1914 in all the details with all the scriptures about 70 years? I can't find it.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
If you cannot take the heat then get out of the kitchen.JW don't talk like that. So I think you are not a JW. One more reason to stop the conversation.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
So called "scholar", my reply was very short. The fact that you missed this important detail in my very short reply tells volumes. I also provided several clear contradictions like the 69.5 years vs 70.5 years in one of my previous posts. I'd have expected a reply about this but there was only silence Therefore I'll end my conversation.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Glad to know that you accept that Zechariah's two references to the 70 years were a past event or more precisely a completed past event that ended with the Exile and not an event that continues to the rebuilding of the Temple. which cannot be figured precisely as to the ending of Zechariah's 70 years claimed to be from 587-520-515 BCE.Go figure!That's not what I said. I said "70 years just passed."
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Thus the text into English shows that the seventy years was a past event and not a present event awaiting an end.
Of course it's in the past. 70 years just passed. When your kid comes home and you say "where have you been these two hours", it's also a past event.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
The New Living Translation shows the meaning of Zech 1:12 very clearly for those who have difficulties to understand this verse:
"Upon hearing this, the angel of the LORD prayed this prayer: “O LORD of Heaven’s Armies, for seventy years now you have been angry with Jerusalem and the towns of Judah. How long until you again show mercy to them?”"
The angel asked this two decades after they left Babylon why they are still not being shown mercy. So for the last 70 years until now (20 years after exile) they have not been shown mercy. If they were really 70 years in exile then this would mean 90 years no mercy. This is another hint why they can't have been 70 years in exile
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
I wish someone would have told me or gave me a hint many years ago that the 1914 teaching contains contradictions.
By just reading Jeremiah 25:12 it became immediately clear to me that the 70 years must have been fulfilled before the king was killed in 539. A king cannot be punished when he is already dead in 537, children can see this.
And from that on the list of contradictions I recognized just kept growing. It bothers me that I believed this and never took a close look at it.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
One contradiction should be enough. How many contradictions does a JW need to obey God more than men?
1 Tim 6:20:
"Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, turning away from the empty speeches that violate what is holy and from the contradictions of the falsely called “knowledge." (NWT)
The Bible doesn't teach 1914. This teaching is full of contradiction.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
Daniel 9:1,7 shows that the land including Jerusalem was inhabited by Jews before the exiled Jews returned from exile and set foot on the land.
Daniel 9:1 In the first year of Da·riʹus the son of A·has·u·eʹrus—a
descendant of the Medes who had been made king over the kingdom of the
Chal·deʹans
Daniel 9:7
7 To you, O Jehovah, belongs righteousness, but to us belongs shame as
is the case today, to the men of Judah, the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
and all Israel, those nearby and far away, in all the lands to which you
dispersed them because they acted unfaithfully toward you.
The land was not without inhabitants for 70 years. Now what does desolation exactly mean? That's a different topic.
