Posts by XBEHERE

I am happy but also said to hear about this. Happy that there will be more "disgruntled" ex-bethelites out in the "real" world, to enlighten more JWs not happy that these poor people need to start over though. At least when I got out I was young enough to weather some bad times and move on. These people, epecially the older ExB's, will struggle.

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This Past Sunday My Wife Took Me To The Elders!

by enlightenedcynic in

early sunday morning, around 1:30 a.m., my wife wakes me and says that she can't sleep and needs to talk with me.

i say ok and she proceeds to tell me that she wants a seperation.

i was hurt, but not shocked, because our relationship is not that close at this point after 14 yrs of marriage.

XBEHERE

This same, exact scenario is exactly whats holding me captive! Best of luck to you man.

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Circuit Overseers Tales of Grief and Woe

by Balaams Ass in

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<div>hi i am in the middle of writing some memoirs of my time on the travelling work.

well anyone be interested in reading them?????

i have some heavy editing to do to protect identies and the like, but i should be finished at the end of the week.

XBEHERE

Bring 'em on and welcome to the forum.

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Bethel Downsizing...The True Story

by Poztate in

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a lot has been said lately about bethel downsizing and here is what i believe the true story is.. watch where the money is and where it goes.

a lot of large company's now are doing two things to maximise profits and bolster the bottom line.. downsizing the amount of people they did gives them extra money and real estate space (yes people are a liability even when small) and the potential to flip real estate in nyc.

the second stage is outsourcing jobs...think it can't happen??

XBEHERE

ANYHOW, she said her 11 year old daughter is planning to go to Bethel!!!! I was like, WTF?!?!? I tried telling her they don't even accept 'sisters' and that Bethel is downsizing but she assurred me Bethel is accepting even single sisters over the age of 18!!!

They are still promoting Bethel service as a "carrot" for young ones so this does not surprise me. They just want young ones to be more wrapped up in the cult so that its more difficult to escape from it once they realize that something is rotten.

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Do You "Believe" In The Bible At All?

by minimus in

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does anyone believe it's "inspired of god"?

XBEHERE

Generally I try to believe in it... but at the DC last weekend I wandered a bit while in the book of genesis and came across the account where Lots daughters plot to get him drunk and "preserve offspring" from their father.

Nevermind the fact that it may or may not have really happened... why the heck was it written down?? Certain things I still can't wrap my brain around.

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Yet another "Crisis of Conscience" Thread

by XBEHERE in

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so after over 4 yrs i finally read the book...i had a lot of my suspicions confirmed especially with all the doctrinal matters such as 1914, this generation, alternative service, etc.

the fact that the gb actually considered all of these things and almost voted for change on some of them but ultimately did not because of not having 2/3 majority is disgusting!

the malawi/mexico hypocrisy is appalling to say the least.

XBEHERE

Does anyone know if the GB still needs 2/3's majority on issues at hand? This is not the case with regular bodies of elders and I find this very intereting. The CO is very insistent that when issues come up they should be unanimous, especially for appointments and deletions of servants and elders. Otherwise majority rules and the ones in the minority are often requested to write a letter as to the reason why so the CO can attach it to the report he sends in. Wether or not this is enforced depends on the CO.

I still cant get over how completely relevant CoC is today though written 20+ yrs ago. This just goes to show that things HAVE NOT changed in the WTS even though many of the GB members mentioned in it are now dead. They are still goverened by legalism, pharisaical rules and regulations and a lack of love.

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Yet another "Crisis of Conscience" Thread

by XBEHERE in

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so after over 4 yrs i finally read the book...i had a lot of my suspicions confirmed especially with all the doctrinal matters such as 1914, this generation, alternative service, etc.

the fact that the gb actually considered all of these things and almost voted for change on some of them but ultimately did not because of not having 2/3 majority is disgusting!

the malawi/mexico hypocrisy is appalling to say the least.

XBEHERE

So after over 4 yrs I finally read the book...I had a lot of my suspicions confirmed especially with all the doctrinal matters such as 1914, This generation, alternative service, etc. The fact that the GB actually considered all of these things and almost voted for change on some of them but ultimately did not because of not having 2/3 majority is disgusting! The Malawi/Mexico hypocrisy is appalling to say the least. These men are cowards who hide behind an organization. The complacency and lackadaisical attitude they displayed in considering all these issues is reminiscent of any typical body of elders but they have people lives at stake even more so and that is terrible.

The chapter "point of decision" hit me like the proverbial "ton of bricks" I still am reeling from how the witchhunt went down in 1980, what sickened me the most was how these so-called pillars of truth.. these "glorious ones" taking the lead in the WT org, the GB behaved like any typical body of elders. Backstabbing, polictics, lack of communication, evasiveness... this more than anything else convinced me that Ray Franz wrote exactly what happened to him without embelishment because these are the same atttitudes that prevail today. Say what you will about the man but he speaks the truth.

Thank you Mr. Franz