Posts by XBEHERE

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Elders who dislike other congregation elders

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my congregation had four elders who had different personalities.you would see a little friction among themselves.. #1 self-righteous and the 800 pound gorilla.he would push everyone around in the congregation and even some fellow elders.. # 2 elder was around 80 years old and looked like he stuck around a little too long.it looked like he was around because he never decided to give up the position.his duty became very light as he aged.. # 3 elder was in his early 30's and newly elected.he made no waves and whatever was asked of him in the congregation he would do.easy to push around like a little puppy dog.. #4 elder (who everyone liked ) was easy to get along with and had a family who everyone loved.

he didn't like elder # 1. they had a power struggle amongst each other which everyone observed while the meetings were in session.. here are 2 small verbal fights that i observed while the congregation meetings were in session:.

while elder # 1 was giving a talk ( heavy rain storms are brewing outside with loud thunder and lightning ) the microphones and lights are knocked out.we lost all power and could barely see.

XBEHERE

There's always a hierarchical structure on elder bodies. Normally its the COBE on the top and he has minions that rank in subsequent order the rest of the service committee usually falls in the top 3 or 4. The rest of the elders are "bantha fodder" and have no real power to speak of.

The CO comes in and gets the scoop from elder 1-4 early in the week then puts on a pretense of an elders meeting with all the elders on Friday to "discuss" issues and appointments even though every decision has been predetermined.

I can almost guarantee this is the formula for most elder bodies and CO visits.

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Massive Destruction of Judicial Files Ordered by By Servce Department?

by Room 215 in

over on the silentlambs facebook site is a copy of a document that purports to be an order by the service depart to destroy files relating to child molestation cases: https://www.facebook.com/silentlambs/photos/a.571978169529812.1073741826.144752662252367/970409503020008/?type=3&theater.

have any of you seen this?

is this a real document or bogus?.

XBEHERE

This isn't new. Elders are supposed to hand over any notes that they took during a judical hearing to the JC Chairman. The chairman is supposed to write a summary based on his and the other 2 set of notes, write down what happened, the result, seal it in an envelope and give it to the secretary. These records are supposed to be destroyed after 7 years I believe.

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Make your predictions!

by Coded Logic in

the more specific the better :) here are mine:.

i predict that within the next two to three years (2017-2018) we will start seeing negative numbers in growth.. i predict that within the next thirteen to fifteen years (2027-2030) the number of jws will be less than 4million.. and i predict that by the time the first person sets foot on mars there will already have been a major split in the organization with either one of the gb or a branch overseer starting a new religion..

XBEHERE

Even the young kids that left or got in trouble came back in their late 20s and 30s.

Because of psychological coercion. "I am married with kids now and my kids are asking about grandma and grandpa and uncle or aunt so and so....I'd better go back to the toof" BTW the only real growth in westernized nations is primarily through kids growing up.

Some from immigration but thats also slowing down somewhat. Many immigrants here in the U.S. often view the JWs as a social club to enjoy and promote their own culture while away from home. Even these people are waking up.

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What the GB/Lawyers Should Be Worrying About

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

perhaps this was touched on in another thread so i apologize if it was ( i don't get to read all of the posts on here all the time) .

who leaked that october letter that was read about the midweek meeting restructuring and reduction in magazines?

it only could've been someone fairly high up in the organization or someone in the it department that converted it to pdf format, or someone from a branch that is in charge of digital correspondence, translation, etc.

XBEHERE

All true but I'd say that it must have happened somewhere when it converted to digital format. I would assume that the GB and their minions tried to keep this under wraps and so used some security, wouldn't you think?

Prior to that its possible that one of the GB's secretaries or helpers could've just done a print to PDF which as you stated is easy to do. I guess the point of my question was are there many bethelites, ones who have easy access to these types of sensitive material, who are in a "crisis of conscience" state if mind? How wide spread is this problem at HQ I wonder.

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What the GB/Lawyers Should Be Worrying About

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

perhaps this was touched on in another thread so i apologize if it was ( i don't get to read all of the posts on here all the time) .

who leaked that october letter that was read about the midweek meeting restructuring and reduction in magazines?

it only could've been someone fairly high up in the organization or someone in the it department that converted it to pdf format, or someone from a branch that is in charge of digital correspondence, translation, etc.

XBEHERE

Perhaps this was touched on in another thread so I apologize if it was ( I don't get to read all of the posts on here all the time)

Who leaked that October letter that was read about the midweek meeting restructuring and reduction in magazines?

It only could've been someone fairly high up in the organization or someone in the IT department that converted it to PDF format, or someone from a branch that is in charge of digital correspondence, translation, etc.

Since all letters from the org are distributed here in the U.S. in digital format only the pool of individuals who saw that letter is small. In the past letters could be leaked by someone in the printing dept. typesetting, job press, etc. but not anymore.

They really must be wondering who it was, I know I am.

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CO in midwest gets pink-slipped

by LevelThePlayingField in

i saw the coordinator heading for the stage and hit record on my ipad.

i was shocked but here it is.

here's my typed transcript of the letter he read:.

XBEHERE

It was predicted a few years ago on here that the CO's would be eventually done away with and the WTS would appoint a local, high up, elder (no clergy class right!!) to do visits yearly at his expense. Perhaps this is coming to fruition. I also suspect that some Bethelites won't go so quietly when they get "laid off" so perhaps the GB is opening up spots for some key people to fill when they leave.

I guess we shall see if this continues to happen on a regular basis.

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New Watchtower Propaganda and hate speech destroying families (Feb 2016 WT)

by Daniel1555 in

the following is a paragraph from the new february study watchtower article "learn from jehovah's loyal servants.".

7 a conflict of loyalties may arise when a close relative is disfellowshipped.

for example, a sister named anne [1] received a telephone call from her disfellowshipped mother.

XBEHERE

Shunning DF family members is wrong.

Prodigal son account from Luke 15:20-

So he got up and went to his father. While he was still a long way off, his father caught sight of him and was moved with pity, and he ran and embraced him* and tenderly kissed him.

It doesn't say that he saw him from far away and went to his COBE to discuss his son coming to the meetings and sitting in silence for 6-12 mos until men have deemed him worthy of "hello".

Funny though in a WT study article from December 2014 "Do You Grasp the Meaning?" on paragraph 13 they have this to say:

13 What is the meaning of Jesus’ illustration of the prodigal son? The compassionate father in this illustration pictures our loving heavenly Father, Jehovah.

So why does Jehovah choose to shun family members now? The prodigal son ran out of money... he wasn't repentant.

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Isn't it ironic that JDubs are the most judgmental people of all? You all know what I am talking about!

by macys in

matthew 7:1-5. do not judge, or you too will be judged.

2 for in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

XBEHERE

100% agree. Even among the so called elite JWs...elders, ms, etc. there is a class system. Brother Elder-Pioneer-Gives parts on assemblies, Brother Elder-doesn't pioneer but wife does also parts on assemblies. Brother Elder- doesn't pioneer, wife also works- no parts. Bother Elder-doesn't pioneer, raising kids, no assembly parts...you get the idea. Its all B/S. Happiest people on earth... lol

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My mom passed away yesterday....

by minimus in

jw
friends

thank you all for your sincere encouragement during these last few weeks.

finally, she is at peace.

i was with her , holding her hand when she died.

XBEHERE

sorry to hear min. peace be with you

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It's not the same religion anymore.

by punkofnice in

that was a quote from a dyed in the wool jw recently.

it was a complaint.. we all know that with 'new light(tm)' that the watchtower corporation's version of 'religion' has kept changing for a long time.

since i remember.....and i go back a long way too.

XBEHERE

It isn't. My JW Wife commented to me after the big mid-week meeting announcement "are we still called JW's anymore??" of course that flash of independent thinking is quickly shoved aside with comments such as "well this might keep the kids more interested.."

I think this was the reaction of most JWs to these changes initial shock, a knee-jerk reaction that is quickly stifled by cognitive dissonance. They then adapt, tow the line, and look down on those who don't.