If they do disfellowship you Bill make sure you use the word ‘excommunicated’ with the media as most of the public haven’t a clue what disfellowshipping means—also make sure you tell the world that you will now be ‘shunned’ and others are strictly forbidden to talk to you, as you are classed as dead to the congregation and its members. This will help the public to see how extreme and inhumane the Watch Tower’s doctrines and practices are.
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Will You Miss This History Making Event?
by silentlambs inwill you miss this history making event?
as many of you may know in recent weeks wt has moved to silence victims and advocates by disfellowshipping those who have spoken out on child molestation within the organization.
spokesman for jehovahs witnesses have made allegations that are untruthful, from saying that they had no idea who was appearing on dateline, stating that it has been established policy that child molesters work only in twos in the door to door ministry, to stating the judicial meetings were over other sins against god.
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Watchtower Charity Reports
by nicolaou inthere are useful bits and pieces to be gleaned from these links.. http://www.guidestar.org/search/report/gs_report.jsp?npoid=447443&context=enpvuj1ve0eqhdsysr1jehshgfgqbe1dh0bicriqooigsxyfvts%2bg9%2btwd8eu3pojqvsgihoqujufnclrulit1dwaxcity3o2puhtk7au9pse2%2fevn2jy6gadx6oxp4opkdf6mw5imgwam%2bgvjjsnfpeq9mn1gfyt6vmbatq%2b8pfa%2f1bgzpdoboi5ibiahdhoeffyhr7fdyije90orzqwaqfmlyy7ecspn%2ftkipngozfnckvkv1gjek%2bgjdq6kj9sbwmfxfadj0tsofth5o2nkzewzsqeknbtvface37ygqrkxng9fqvjbuamqw5h5zmky1njpdseqdwdupgcjug0bxw1mxbdpogjahwxypvm%2fl4jhp%2fywuyypq7ah2tmakkllpznnfgpgfmww59u%2f39ilu58b7smlwihuimofa50nbzuh6hsrghkjrfzt24%2fvj31wqut6ahfuzbgllsadq5symkskzftnkx3lo9v7nvsqveuhto%2b3tkr4zhzusjmmayc7y%2bbeny9ea5tn99%2fptn8putayua6grlttbo2hl3jb8psl86endl9e3pn2wairnnrlqx1tkzyz8zhza2n%2fhfionm3rz%2f6e2%2bfazrvplejv%2b4ol2ryrhai9rsjbgulqqzz%2b78pbw6m8a06szkuhya6mdmd%2fbnkp%2bbn%2f8bs5nyrq%3d%3d.
http://www.guidestar.org/search/report/effective.jsp?npoid=447443&context=enpvuj1ve0eqhdsysr1jehshgfgqbe1dh0bicriqooigsxyfvts%2bg9%2btwd8eu3pojqvsgihoqujufnclrulit1dwaxcity3o2puhtk7au9pse2%2fevn2jy6gadx6oxp4opkdf6mw5imgwam%2bgvjjsnfpeq9mn1gfyt6vmbatq%2b8pfa%2f1bgzpdoboi5ibiahdhoeffyhr7fdyije90orzqwaqfmlyy7ecspn%2ftkipngozfnckvkv1gjek%2bgjdq6kj9sbwmfxfadj0tsofth5o2nkzewzsqeknbtvface37ygqrkxng9fqvjbuamqw5h5zmky1njpdseqdwdupgcjug0bxw1mxbdpogjahwxypvm%2fl4jhp%2fywuyypq7ah2tmakkllpznnfgpgfmww59u%2f39ilu58b7smlwihuimofa50nbzuh6hsrghkjrfzt24%2fvj31wqut6ahfuzbgllsadq5symkskzftnkx3lo9v7pvil0lhtpz2t9tojimkynk1astmbp1aruxqzfptf3r46c%2fh69vwvsbvccoc7j21pa4j%2fl4qprv0bsrq29%2fvikdfjltctwktzaexf7j6lc0%2fywvvhxk6ub4r2%2fypwby9830kvncxemntmbqwtrmz8rwavgyfxbnj%2bxq2tsmvtcmw%2bxtrd82u7m%2fh%2fwp%2fpwptcxx4w%3d%3d.
http://www.guidestar.org/search/full_report/index.jsp?npoid=447443&context=enpvuj1ve0eqhdsysr1jehshgfgqbe1dh0bicriqooigsxyfvts%2bg9%2btwd8eu3pojqvsgihoqujufnclrulit1dwaxcity3o2puhtk7au9pse2%2fevn2jy6gadx6oxp4opkdf6mw5imgwam%2bgvjjsnfpeq9mn1gfyt6vmbatq%2b8pfa%2f1bgzpdoboi5ibiahdhoeffyhr7fdyije90orzqwaqfmlyy7ecspn%2ftkipngozfnckvkv1gjek%2bgjdq6kj9sbwmfxfadj0tsofth5o2nkzewzsqeknbtvface37ygqrkxng9fqvjbuamqw5h5zmky1njpdseqdwdupgcjug0bxw1mxbdpogjahwxypvm%2fl4jhp%2fywuyypq7ah2tmakkllpznnfgpgfmww59u%2f39ilu58b7smlwihuimofa50nbzuh6hsrghkjrfzt24%2fvj31wqut6ahfuzbgllsadq5symkskzftnkx3lo9v7pvil0lhtpz2t9tojimkynk1astmbp1aruxqzfptf3r46c%2fh69vwvsbvccoc7j21pa4j%2fl4qprv0bsrq29%2fvikdfjltctwktzaexf7j6lc0%2fywvvhxk6ub4r2%2fypwby9830kvncxemntmbqwtrmz8rwavgyfxbnj%2bxq2tsmvtcmw%2bxtrd82u7m%2fh%2fwp%2fpwptcxx4w%3d%3d.
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Nicolaou, why is your "Do-not-call" website offline?
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Gods has a body ???WT says so
by mouthy inmay 15th watchtower 2002-i see where they say god has a body!!!!
as well as a spirit-didnt i learn as a jw he was only spirit no body-.
i guess the "body snatchers" must have returned the body--or do we have new light here??
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I love the contradiction in that article, first they say, “Yes, God has a body, not a physical one like ours, but a spiritual body” and then they go and say, “If there is a physical body,” says the Bible, ‘there is a spiritual one.’ (1 Corinthians 14:44)” Why are they mentioning a physical one when they have just said God doesn’t have a physical one so how would that mean he had a spiritual one?
Their quote in Corinthians seems to back up the life after death doctrine of your physical body dying and you going off in your spiritual body, leaving your dead physical soul behind—i.e., you have a spiritual/astral body and a physical if you are human.
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JWs next false prophesy.....2004/2005...
by TheApostleAK ini brought this up a while back (last year some time...can't find the damn post!!
)...has the watchtower hinted at this yet?.
ps i think the reasoning of this is that its 70 years since the closing of the heavenly calling (1934/35).
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U2K,
How do you explain the number of anointed back in the first few centuries? There were hundreds of thousands if not millions, so why do you believe that 144,000 weren’t filled until 1935? Here is a quote from the Watchtower:
(Watchtower 1951, 1 September, p. 516)
“Nero saw to it that the first of these terrible persecutions set the pace for the rest. At once he caused Christians to be rounded up, summarily condemned and put to death in the most barbaric manner conceivable. Some were thrown to the fierce beasts in the public arena, others were sewed in animal skins and left to the fury of wild dogs, many were crucified, and still others were garbed in combustible materials and ignited to become human torches lighting the gardens of Nero by night. It was in this persecution that the apostle Paul was martyred.
“Brief respite followed the death of Nero, but by the latter years of the first century the second great persecution, under Emperor Domitian, flared up. It is said that in the year 95 alone some 40,000 suffered martyrdom . . . Diocletian assumed the crown A.D. 284. At first he seemed friendly to the Christians, but in the year 303 he gave in to persuasion and opened the tenth persecution, probably the most ferocious of all. Suffocation by smoke, forcible drinking of melted lead, mass drownings and burnings, breaking on the rack of men and women alike ran the empire with blood. In a single month 17,000 were slain. In the province of Egypt alone, 144,000 such professed Christians died by violence in the course of this persecution, in addition to another 700,000 who died as a result of fatigues encountered in banishment or under enforced public works . . . The Devil’s vicious assaults by violence against Christianity continued through the Dark Ages, the Reformation and right into the present days. Only the hand of the persecutor, not the basic reasons for persecuting, has changed . . . But for all of this, it is noteworthy that many pagans, even officers in the army, were converted to Christianity by the unwavering faith of the Christians while enduring the cruelest torture . . . The Christian stand of complete separateness from the world and its systems stood out in refusal of military service as in the case of the young Christian Maximilian, who protested that he had taken the badge of Christ and could not as well accept that of the world.”
There are 901,000 listed just in this article, there must have been hundreds of thousands more who are not mentioned here, so why on earth do you take number 144,000 to be literal, as it would have clearly been filled many centuries ago?
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Need address of UK cong....links anyone????
by Latte insorry to bother you guys with this, but someone has asked me for a particular kh address.
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Nemesis
Sorry to resurrect this thread but I just tried that charity link Nicolaou gave, and put in ‘Jehovah London’ and got ten pages of Kingdom halls, and when they registered and their annual incomes also! A very useful link Nicolaou.
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CARROT, EGG, OR COFFEE BEAN
by Billygoat ini usually delete these type of emails, but thought it was an interesting analogy and i thought i'd share.... .
a young woman went to her mother and told her about her life and how things were so hard for her.
she did not know how she was going to make it and wanted to give up.
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Nemesis
I’m a courgette, where do I fit in?
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CHANNEL 9 NEWS AT 10:00 ON DF'ING
by ARoarer inthe story will air tonight on the 10 o'clock news.
happy mother's day all you moms of victims, and all you moms who are victim survivors, silenced by watchtower threats of harsh discipline!!
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Englishman,
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Molested? Forget it, "and think good thoug...
by Nemesis injust forget youve been molested, its no big deal according to the watchtower.
one woman who was having problems because she had been a victim of incest over many years went to the elders in the congregation to discuss her problem.
they told me to forget about it, she reports.
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Just forget you’ve been molested, its no big deal according to the Watchtower
One woman who was having problems because she had been a victim of incest over many years went to the elders in the congregation to discuss her problem. “They told me to forget about it,” she reports. The well-intentioned reasoning behind that advice was doubtless that since the bad experiences were all in the past and nothing could be done about them now the best thing to do was to put them out of her mind and think good thoughts. . . . What if the victim reveals that she feels worthless because of the experience? A young woman who was abused by her grandfather, father and stepfather, says: “They [the counselors] could help her realize she is worth a lot. I used to feel different from my friends at school. I felt dirty compared with them. Then as a teenager I got into trouble a few times. But now I know that Jehovah does not hold this experience against me.” (Note they do not say who the abusers were, and all these victims are JWs, so are their parents and grandparent doing the abuse JWs also?). . . . However, they may tactfully point out the dangers of letting anger overwhelm a person. (Ephesians 4:26) They may help her to reason on this by gently asking questions such as, “Is your anger helping you or is it harming you? By letting anger affect you so much, are you still letting him influence your life? Do you really think he has got away with something? Is not Jehovah the Judge even of those who commit crimes in secret?”—Psalm 69:5; Luke 8:17; Romans 12:19. The Watchtower 1983, 1 October, pp. 28–30.(In other words they want you to forget about it and leave it to God it sort out!)
Funny how what goes around comes around, see below:
“Australian National Television recently broadcast a documentary entitled “The Ultimate Betrayal.” The program claimed that 15 percent of clergymen in Australia had committed sexual offenses, ranging from the molestation of children to the rape of women parishioners. Within hours of the television program, various centers set up to handle complaints of sexual assault were inundated with telephone calls from alleged victims. Many callers said they had kept their experience secret for many years. One woman said that she was speaking about her ordeal as a child for the first time in 40 years! Another said that after her clergyman had sexually abused her as a child, he threatened her with hellfire punishment if she dared to tell anyone. Spokesmen for various church groups disagreed with the 15-percent figure but did admit that the sexual misconduct of clergymen was a serious problem.”—Awake! 1992, 8 August, p. 28.
All sounds very familiar doesn’t it. This next article is heavily hinting at forgiving the molesting parents, what also gets to me is that the victims are all JWs again, so what are the parents? We are not told, but I’m sure of most of us can have a good guess.
Coming to Terms With Your Parents: This may prove to be one of the most difficult tasks of recovery. Some continue to be filled with anger, fantasies of revenge—or guilt. One abuse victim said: “I am depressed because I think Jehovah expects me to forgive my molester, and I can’t.” On the other hand, you may live in morbid fear of your abuser. Or you may have hostile feelings toward your mother if she closed her eyes to the abuse or reacted with denial or anger when abuse was revealed. “My mother told me that I’d have to make allowances for [my father],” recalls one woman bitterly. It is only natural to feel angry when one has suffered abuse. Nevertheless, the ties that bind families can be strong, and you may not want to cut off all contact with your parents. You may even be willing to consider a reconciliation. . . . Victims are sometimes inclined to forgive their parents outright. . . Preferring to avoid an emotional confrontation, some are content to ‘have their say in their heart’ and let matters rest.—Psalm 4:4. . . . For example, your father might acknowledge the abuse, expressing deep remorse. He may also have made sincere efforts to change, perhaps by getting treatment for alcohol addiction or by pursuing a study of the Bible. Your mother may likewise beg your forgiveness for her having failed to protect you. Sometimes a full reconciliation may result. . . . At the very least, though, you may be able to resume reasonable family dealings.—Awake! 1991, 8 October, pp. 10, 11
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blood policy in the papers
by ballistic inthis was printed in june 2000 as far as i can make out.
what do you make of it?.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/top_story.html?in_review_id=290588&in_review_text_id=235269.
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The same story is at the BBC site here:
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Chicago Sun-Times - JW's Face Sex Scandal
by Jackson inthe chicago sun-times in todays issue has decided that the jehovah's witness molestation story has merit and printed it.
the story is in the religion section page 32. the headline is "jehovah's witnesses face sex scandal.
" the story describes the tribulation of william bowen in kentucky who has tried his best to get to wts to clean up the congregation as to child molesters.
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/religion/cst-nws-rel10.html
Not sure if this is a permanent link address or just a headline one, so it may have to be changed when it goes to archive.