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  Hitler and the JW's...

  by ForbiddenFruit in

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  i'm sure it's been asked before, but i'll ask it again.

  after watching a ww2 movie, my dad came out with a random line..."what's special is that a small group of people known as the jehovah's witnesses stood up to him.

  now, my dad is a strong jw and i have left, so this was a blatant taunt.

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  NeonMadman

  They only "stood up to" Hitler after Hitler rebuffed their attempts to make nice with him. Check out some of these links: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/best-of/78490/1/The-Best-of-WTS-Hitler-and-the-Holocaust.
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  Old Songbooks

  by JediMaster in

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  2. bible

  hi, i usually don't post here a lot but, i spent some time with my aunt and uncle last week.

  he's df'ed and she's inactive but still makes some meetings.

  we somehow got into how bad some of the new songs are and they both mentioned a few interesting things about the songs back in the 60-80's.

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  Does anyone know whether there is a pdf on the web anywhere of that 1928 songbook, Songs of Praise to Jehovah? As I recall, it had early versions of some of the "kingdom songs" with lyrics that were, at least in some cases, more Christian than JW. I used to have a copy, but my ex took it in the divorce (along with pretty much everything else).
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  A WALK DOWN BOND STREET

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  james bond composer john barry turned 77 the other day.. in honor of his birthday i decided to compose a tribute to his wonderfully evocative music for the early bond films.. this is an original composition that uses the style and thematic vamps which make the bond films so enjoyable.. a walk down bond street.

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  Hey, I had one of those Magnus Chord Organs when I was a kid! That's how I learned keyboard too (at least the treble side...).
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  A WALK DOWN BOND STREET

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  james bond composer john barry turned 77 the other day.. in honor of his birthday i decided to compose a tribute to his wonderfully evocative music for the early bond films.. this is an original composition that uses the style and thematic vamps which make the bond films so enjoyable.. a walk down bond street.

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  Awesome piece, Terry!
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  Did Jesus resurrect Himself?

  by brotherdan in

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  2. bible

  this is a common scripture, but i find it interesting that it is in direct conflict to jw belief.

  john 2:19 says, "jesus answered them, "destroy this temple, and i will raise it again in three days.

  " the jews replied, "it has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?

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  The Bible did not say this. In fact it says that after he was resurrected the apostles realized that this had been fulfilled in Jesus.

  I know that. I was just telling you what the WTS has said. They don't even claim that the text refers to Jesus' resurrection, but to his raising up the "spiritual temple" after his resurrection. It's a major case of rationalizing the clear words of the text.
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  How do Jehovah's Witnesses interpret the Bible?

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is the information for the number 3 talk this week.. how do jehovahs witnesses arrive at their explanation of the bible?.

  a key factor is that the witnesses really believe that the bible is gods word and that what it contains is there for our instruction.

  (2 tim.

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  JW's don't interpret the Bible at all. The Watchtower interprets it for them, and they swallow whatever they are told unquestioningly.
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  Did Jesus resurrect Himself?

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a common scripture, but i find it interesting that it is in direct conflict to jw belief.

  john 2:19 says, "jesus answered them, "destroy this temple, and i will raise it again in three days.

  " the jews replied, "it has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?

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  Well, if you want the JW answer, according to the 1952 Watchtower:

  *** w52 10/1 p. 606 Questions From Readers ***
  This setting shows that Jesus was not talking about his physical body, but “he was talking about the temple of his body”. The temple in Jerusalem that Jesus cleansed represented not Jesus alone but also the body-members over which he is head. Just as the literal temple was not made up of one stone but many, so “the temple of his body” consists of many living stones, with Jesus as the foundation cornerstone: “You yourselves also as living stones are being built up a spiritual house for the purpose of a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” (1 Pet. 2:4-7, NW) After the Jewish religionists rejected Christ the living stone and broke him down by death on the torture stake, on the third day thereafter Jehovah God raised him up to become the chief cornerstone of the temple of living stones then under preparation. He immediately appeared to his disciples and lifted them up out of their despondency, built them up spiritually so that they could “offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God”. That this building of “the temple of his body” started then and continued through the years that followed is shown by Peter’s use of the present tense when years afterward he said Christ’s followers “are being built up a spiritual house”.
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  Slang - Pondering the historical context of the scriptures

  by sabastious in

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  all cultures have slang.. sometimes it is used to get a point across without having to describe it in detail.. for instance take this linguistic exchange:.

  jeff: hey alex, i wanted to talk to you about the party tonight-.

  alex: don't even go there, jeff!.

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  My point is that Jehovah's Witnesses take the Bible out of historical context ALL THE TIME.

  They will say in regards to disfellowshipped ones "do not even say a greeting to them." And they point at it and say "See! It's right there plain and simple!"

  The catch, there, of course is that there's nothing in that text (2 John 9-11) about "disfellowshipped ones." In context, John is writing about heretical itinerant teachers, most likely of a Docetist persuasion, who denied the bodily incarnation of Christ. The part about not receiving them into your home was very likely a reference to home churches - not that they had to be totally shunned, but that they should not be welcomed as teachers or offered support and encouragement. The Greek chairo, translated "greeting" in the NWT, means more than a simple "hello"; it implies support and encouragement.
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  Public Talk Outlines

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been collecting the public talk outlines.

  i have almost all of them but there are a few missing.

  i have tiles for some but just numbers for others.

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  No.-1lLAPPRECIATING MARVELS OF GOD’S CREATION in the first group should be #114.
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  Public Talk Outlines

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been collecting the public talk outlines.

  i have almost all of them but there are a few missing.

  i have tiles for some but just numbers for others.

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  NeonMadman

  I have this list by topic, not sure if it's current:

  BIBLE / GOD
  No.4-EVIDENCE OF GOD IN THE WORLD AROUND US
  N0.-26-1S IT TIME FOR GOD TO RULE THE WORLD?
  No.-54-BUILD YOUR FAITH IN MAN’S MAKER
  No.-80-DOES YOUR HOPE REST ON SCIENCE OR THE BIBLE?
  No.-8&WHY LIVE BY BIBLE STANDARDS?
  No.-99-WHY YOU CAN TRUST THE BIBLE
  N-100-TRUE FRIENDSHIP WITH GOD AND NEIGHBOUR
  No.-101-JEHOVAH-THE GRAND CREATOR
  No.-1lLAPPRECIATING MARVELS OF GOD’S CREATION
  No.-124-BASIS FOR CONFIDENCE IN THE BIBLE’S DIVINE AUTHORSHIP

  CHRISTIAN STANDARDS / QUALITIES
  No.-7-MERCY, A DOMINANT QUALITY OF TRUE CHRISTIANS
  No.-10-CONDUCTING OURSELVES HONESTLY AT ALL TIMES
  No.-l>RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY IS A SAFEGUARD FOR YOU
  NO.-14-A CLEAN PEOPLE HONORS JEHOVAH.
  No.-15-AS CHRISTIANS, WE CARE ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE
  No.-48-MEETING THE TEST OF CHRISTIAN LOYALTY
  No.-68-DO YOU HARBOR RESENTMENT, OR DO YOU FORGIVE?
  No.-69-RENEWING THE SPIRIT OF SELF-SACRIFICE
  No.-72LOVE IDENTIFIES THE TRUE CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION
  N-76 JEALOUSY-PROPER AND IMPROPER
  N-77-FOLLOW THE COURSE OF HOSPITALITY
  No-78-SERVE JEHOVAH WITH A JOYFUL HEART
  No-103-YOU CAN FIND JOY IN SERVING GOD
  No-112-HOW TO EXPRESS LOVE IN A LAWLESS WORLD

  EVANGELIZING / MINISTRY
  NO -17-GLORIFYING GOD WITH ALL WE HAVE
  N-63-DO YOU HAVE THE EVANGELIZING SPIRIT?
  Ne65-FINDING HONOR AND JOY IN GOD’S MINISTRY
  No46-SLAVE FOR THE MASTER OF THE HARVEST
  No81-WHO ARE QUALIFIED AS MINISTERS OF GOD?

  FAITH / SPIRTUALITY
  No 1 - HOW WELL DO YOU KNOW GOD?
  Ne9-NEVER BECOME DULL IN YOUR HEARING
  No-16-KEEP GROWING IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
  N-18-ARE YOU REALLY MAKING JEHOVAH YOUR STRONGHOLD?
  N-22-ARE YOU CONTENT WITH JEHOVAH’S PROVISIONS?
  N-31-HAPPY THOUGH HUNGRY-HOW CAN IT BE?
  N-39-BE CONFIDENT OF DIVINE VICTORY!
  No 46-MAINTAIN YOUR CONFIDENCE FIRM TO THE END
  No47-TAKING TIME TO MEDITATE ON SPIRITUAL THINGS
  N-70-MAKE JEHOVAH YOUR CONFIDENCE
  N-71-HOW TO KEEP SPIRITUALLY AWAKE
  No-7LJEHOVAH’S EYES ARE UPON US
  No87-WHAT IS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD?

  FAMILY / YOUTH
  NO-SFAMILY LIFE THAT WARMS THE HEART
  NO-13-A GODLY VIEW OF SEX AND MARRIAGE
  Ne27-GETTING MARRIAGE OFF TO A GOOD START
  No-28-SHOW RESPECT AND LOVE IN YOUR MARRIAGE
  No-29-RESPONSIBILITIES AND REWARDS OF PARENTHOOD
  Ne30-COMMUNICATION- WITHIN THE FAMILY AND WITH GOD
  N-lOLPARENTS-ARE YOU BUILDING WITH FIRE-RESISTANT MATERIALS?
  No-110-GOD COMES FIRST IN SUCCESSFUL FAMILY LIFE
  Ne113-HOW CAN YOUTHS COPE WITH TODAY’S CRISIS?
  No-118-LOOKING AT YOUTHS FROM JEHOVAH’S STANDPOINT

  KINGDOM / PARADISE
  No-19-YOUR FUTURE-HOW CAN IT BE KNOWN?
  Ne21-HOW DO YOU FIT INTO THE KINGDOM ARRANGEMENT?
  No-23-LIFE DOES HAVE A PURPOSE
  No-24-WHAT GOD’S RULERSHIP CAN DO
  No-35-CAN YOU LIVE FOREVER? WILL YOU?
  NO-37-DECIDE NOW FOR DIVINE RULERSHIP
  No-42-HOW THE KINGDOM OF GOD EFFECTS YOU
  No-44-KEEP SEEKING GOD’S KINGDOM
  No47-“HAVE FAITH IN THE GOOD NEWS”
  NO49-A CLEANSED EARTH-WILL YOU LIVE TO SEE IT?
  NO-60-HOW PURPOSEFUL IS YOU LIFE?
  No 61-ON WHOSE PROMISES DO YOU RELY?
  No-62-THE ONLY CURE FOR SICK MANKIND
  No-75-DO YOU RECOGNIZE JEHOVAH’S SOVEREIGNTY IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE?
  NO 85- GOOD NEWS IN A VIOLENT WORLD
  NO-90-REACH OUT FOR THE REAL LIFE!
  No-91-THE MESSIAH’S PRESENCE AND HIS RULE
  No-109-THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NEAR
  No-111-WHAT DOES THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS ACCOMPLISH?
  Ne120WHY SUBMIT TO GOD’S RULERSHIP NOW
  NO-122.- GLOBAL PEACE -FROM WHAT SOURCE?

  LAST DAYS / GOD’S JUDGMENT
  No-2-WILL YOU BE A SURVIVOR OF THE LAST DAYS?
  No 6-THE FLOOD OF NOAH’S DAY HAS MEANING FOR US
  No-20-1s IT TIME FOR GOD TO RULE THE WORLD?
  No-34-ARE YOU “MARKED” FOR SURVIVAL?
  No-38-ACT WISELY AS THE END DRAWS NEAR
  N040-WHAT THE NEAR FUTURE HOLDS!
  Ne41-“STAND STILL AND SEE THE SALVATION OF JEHOVAH”
  No-84-WILL YOU ESCAPE THIS WORLD’S DESTINY?
  No-93- “ACTS OF G0D”-HOW DO YOU VIEW THEM”?
  NO-102-PAYING ATTENTION TO THE PROPHETIC WORD
  NO-106-RUINING THE EARTH BRINGS DIVINE RETRIBUTION
  NO-108-OVERCOMING FEAR OF THE FUTURE
  No-121- A WORLDWIDE BROTHERHOOD SAVED FROM CALAMITY

  RELIGION / WORSHIP
  NO-3- SERVING WITH JEHOVAH’S UNIFIED ORGANIZATION
  Ne8-LIVING, NOT FOR SELF, BUT TO DO GOD’S WILL
  NO-36-1s THIS LIFE ALL THERE IS?
  NO 43-ARE YOU DOING WHAT GOD REQUIRES OF YOU?
  NO-45-FOLLOW THE WAY TO LIFE
  No-52-WHO IS YOUR GOD?
  N e 55 W H A T KIND OF NAME ARE YOU MAKING WITH GOD?
  No-56-INTO THE NEW WORLD UNDER CHRIST’S LEADERSHIP
  No-58-HOW SHOULD YOU SERVE GOD?
  NO-82-JEHOVAH AND CHRIST-ARE THEY PART OF A TRINITY?
  No43-RELIGION’S TIME OF JUDGMENT
  No-86-PRAYERS THAT ARE HEARD BY GOD
  N-89-COME’ YOU WHO THIRST FOR THE TRUTH!
  No-92-RELIGION’S ROLE IN WORLD AFFAIRS
  No-94-TRUE RELIGION MEETS THE NEEDS OF HUMAN SOCIETY
  No-95-THE BIBLE’S VIEW OF SPIRITISTIC PRACTICES
  NO-96-FALSE RELIGION’S END IS NEAR

  TRIALS / PROBLEMS
  No-32-COPING WITH LIFE’S ANXIETIES
  NO-50-DECISIONS YOU FACGHOW WILL YOU MAKE THEM?
  No-57-BEARlNG UP UNDER PERSECUTION
  NO-73-ACQUIRING A HEART OF WISDOM
  No-105-GAINING COMFORT IN ALL OUR TRIBULATIONS
  No-117-HOW TO CONQUER EVIL WITH GOOD

  WORLD, NO PART OF
  No-11-“NO PART OF THE WORLD “-IN IMITATION OF CHRIST
  No-25-RESISTING THE SPIRIT OF THE WORLD
  No-33-WHAT IS BEHIND THE SPIRIT OF REBELLION?
  No-51-IS THE TRUTH TRANSFORMING YOUR LIFE?
  No-53-DOES YOUR THINKING AGREE WITH GOD’S?
  No-59-YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU SOW
  NO. 64-LOVERS OF PLEASURE OR LOVERS OF GOD?
  N-79-FRIENDSHIP WITH GOD, FRIENDSHIP WITH THE WORLD-WHICH WILL YOU CHOOSE?
  No-97-REMAINING BLAMELESS AMID A CROOKED GENERATION
  No-98-KEEP CLEAN FROM WORLDLY DEFILEMENTS
  Ne107-HOLD A GOOD CONSCIENCE IN A SINFUL WORLD
  No-115-HOW TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM SATAN’S SNARES
  NO-116-CHOOSE YOUR ASSOCIATES WISELY!
  NO-119-CHRISTIAN SEPARATENESS FROM THE WORLD-WHY BENEFICIAL?
  No-123-WHY CHRISTIANS MUST BE DIFFERENT