As I understand it, they start the count of 14 days from the new moon as seen in Jerusalem, not at the local venue. This would often result in a day's discrepancy in our part of the world.
NeonMadman
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Memorial on wrong day
by isaacaustin inok...i have read before that the jws celebrate the memorial on the wrong day.
can someone explain this to me in a dummyproof way?
do the jws celebrate the memorial on the 13th day after sundown (which is nisan 14) or do they do it on the 14th days after sundown (nisan 15)??
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I am tempted to ask 25 year old very pretty lady out but.....
by Iamallcool inshe has 4 kids.
the father of her kids sees them every two weeks.
i am not sure if it is a good idea for me to ask her out.
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NeonMadman
The nice part about not being a JW is that you don't have to decide whether you want to marry someone before you ask them for a date. You are allowed to take this young woman out a few times, get to know her, and then, when you know both her and her circumstances better, you can both make a decision whether to continue or stop.
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What is "PRESENT" truth? Who understands the Greek ?
by hamsterbait ini dont know greek, but cant help wondering what the word "present" in that phrase means.. the borg uses it to mean "what we tell you at this time is true".. i wonder if it means present in the sense of somebody you know being present in the room with you.. "the truth present in our lives" "the truth that is here with us".. just wondering..... hb.
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NeonMadman
I just ran a search on the phrase in a number of different Bible translations. It does not appear in most modern Bible translations at all, and that includes the NWT. It does appear at 2 Peter 1:12 in the KJV and the New King James. Other translations render the verse in a way that does not imply 'the truth at the present time,' but seem to refer to the truth being present in Christians.
The NASB, for example, reads, "Therefore, I will always be ready to remind you of these things, even though you already know them, and have been established in the truth which is present with you."
The ESV (English Standard Version) reads: "Therefore I intend always to remind you of these qualities, though you know them and are established in the truth that you have."
Even the NWT reads, "For this reason I shall be disposed always to remind YOU of these things, although YOU know [them] and are firmly set in the truth that is present [in YOU]."
Clearly the emphasis of the verse is on the truth being present in believers, and not on the believers' having to keep up with ever-changing versions of the truth.
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NeonMadman
Nothing changes:
Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years . ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!" -
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Common JW phrases that aren't in the Bible
by biometrics ini'm interested to know common phrases jehovah's witnesses use, but don't actually apear in the bible (even the nwt).
especially phrases most jw's would assume are in the bible.
e.g.. "paradise earth".
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NeonMadman
they had to invent kingdom hall, the word church has pagan connotations. it comes from circee(sp) an ancient goddess of trances and medicines. funny but true.
According to Wikipedia, at least, the word "church" is derived from the Greek kyrios ("Lord") by way of the Germanic, not from the goddess Circe. However, the JWs still couldn't use the term despite its lack of pagan origins, because then they wouldn't be different.
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Attention Governing Body: October 2, 2014 is only 940 days away...
by Alfred inin 1823, john aquila brown (a man who is not mentioned in any wt publication) came up with a bizarre mathematical calculation which totalled 2,520 years (in an unauthorized attempt to predict the end of the gentile times).... several religions recycled this bizarre calculation, including the adventists and the bible students... when armageddon didn't come on the variety of early 20th century dates predicted by several "dooms-day" religions of that time (including charles taze russell's bible students who predicted that the big a would start in 1914), they all finally realized that this 2,520-year calculation was nothing more than arbitrary mathematical speculation derived from erratic biblical extrapolation.... except for the bible students who continued to move up the date for armageddon 2 more times (1918, 1925) and then decided to use wwi as the starting point for the "last days".. all the while, one thing that seems to remain intact is the october 2, 1914 date.
oddly, for the watchtower bible & tract publishing cult, this particular date still marks the end of the 2,520-year period (that john aquila brown referred to in his bizarre 1823 book "the even tide")... again, no mention of this in any watchtower publication.
but, for jws, that date still remains the starting point for the period of time often referred to as the "last days" or even "the generation that shall not pass".. because of this, the governing body has been forced to change the definition of "the generation that shall not pass" countless times since the early 1970's.
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NeonMadman
the expiration date of this latest definition is quickly approaching
Actually, they've bought themselves another good 50 or 60 years if the drones accept the "overlapping generation" teaching.
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NeonMadman
Well, if the whole point is that everyone needs to apply critical thinking to his or her beliefs, I would agree with that. But usually, the argument in the graphic is thrown at Christians to imply that, because their beliefs may have been geographically derived, therefore they are almost certainly wrong. It proves no such thing, and there is no relationship between geography and truth claims; that was really my only point in commenting here. So yes, SweetBaby, I would agree with what you say, for the most part. Intellectual vigilance is necessary in maintaining (and, if necessary, modifying) any belief structure.
Leaving, thanks for the Plantinga link, I've saved it for near future reading.
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Troy Barnes should be Disfellowshipped
by I Want to Believe inanyone else watch community?
i love the show, and it just happens to have the only openly jw lead character in the history of tv.
but whenever they'd bring up that troy was a jw i'd cringe a little, back then because how easily he would go against those beliefs and now because of how innocent they make it out to be.
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NeonMadman
There was an article about it that generated a ton of comments here. I got kind of hot and heavy into it, since it ticked me off that the JWs were just doing "drive-by shootings," popping into the thread to say the article was full of lies and misinformation without actually specifying any lies or misinformation, then disappearing when they were challenged.
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Martha Liverance, mother of Gilead instructor Wallace Liverance, dead at age 85
by VM44 inmartha liverance, 85. wednesday, november 23, 2011. the gazette (hawthorne edition).
hawthorne martha liverance, 85, died nov. 2.. .
she was a 45-year resident of ridgewood and a long-time member of the wyckoff congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. .
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NeonMadman
Wow, that's very local for me; she has sons living in the same town as me.
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NeonMadman
It sounds as if you are saying that, because there are many wrong religions, it is not possible that any of them are true. Otherwise, what is the significance of the fact that most people are born into religions that are not true? I would agree that the matter of which religion is correct deserves serious investigation. Those who investigate seriously should be able to determine what is true and what is not (though I acknowledge that the issue is a complex one). But the argument presented in this thread, that of geography determining religious belief, and that fact somehow contra-indicating the truth of all religions, seems to be along the lines of the well-known "one less god" argument. The fact that many beliefs are false does not mean that one belief is not true. Atheists happen to believe that atheism, among all the belief systems of the world, is the correct one. Theists would disagree. But the fact that atheism (or, by extension, any form of theism) is one belief system among many certainly cannot be used to argue that it is therefore necessarily false. If there is one God, then the fact that many people believe in gods that do not exist is hardly an argument against the existence of the one who does, any more than the infinite number of potential wrong answers to the question of what 2+2 equals means that there is no correct answer. The geography argument simply presents a logical fallacy, as does the "one less god" argument. Neither speaks to the actual question of the existence of a true God.