I believe the reason for the change (apart from change for the sake of change to keep the publishers on their toes) was that "back-call" was a term commonly used by commercial salesman, and the WTS at the time was trying to emphasize that their work was a non-commercial ministry. IIRC, the change came among a flurry of other terminology changes in the early 1970's when the elder arrangement was being introduced (indeed, the term "elder" itself had been viewed in the 1950's and 1960's as a religious title, inappropriate for use by Jehovah's people). "Congregation Servants" became "Presiding Overseers," the "Congregation Committee" had its functions split between the "Service Committee" and as-needed "judicial committees," etc. Most of the new terminology came into effect with the introduction of the book, Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making, in 1972.
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Why did "Back Calls" change to "Return Visits"?
by donuthole indoes anyone remember the rationale that was used in rebranding "back calls" as "return visits"?.
while on the subject does anyone else remember any theocratic name changes like,.
district assembly to district convention.
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is the soul mortal biblically speaking
by therevealer innot being a wise guy or rude here but rather than mess up the thread on is the soul immortal i think the opposite question is interesting as well..
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NeonMadman
Ezekiel 18:4, in context, is not talking about the condition of the human soul. It is using the word "soul," even as we do in English sometimes, in an idiomatic sense to denote a person. To say, "the person who is sinning will die" would be a reasonable interpretation of the verse. The issue at hand in that specific text in this context was not whether anything survives the death of the body, but whether God would hold the sins of the fathers against their sons. Read the whole chapter and you'll see that I am correct.
There are numerous texts that demonstrate that the soul/spirit is a distinct part of man that leaves the body at death:
Gen 35:18 And as her soul was departing (for she was dying), she called his name Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin.
Gen 35:19 So Rachel died, and she was buried on the way to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem),1Ki 17:21 Then he stretched himself upon the child three times and cried to the LORD, "O LORD my God, let this child's life [Hebrew, nephesh = soul] come into him again."
Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
Act 7:59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."
Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. (Notice that soul here is distinct from body, so the soul cannot be the whole person - it wouldn't make sense to speak of those who "kill the body but cannot kill the person")
Luk 23:46 Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last.
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Guys, how often do you shave your face?
by asilentone ini shave my face every few days, what about you?
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NeonMadman
Every day. Except (usually) Saturdays.
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Old Songbooks
by JediMaster inhi, i usually don't post here a lot but, i spent some time with my aunt and uncle last week.
he's df'ed and she's inactive but still makes some meetings.
we somehow got into how bad some of the new songs are and they both mentioned a few interesting things about the songs back in the 60-80's.
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NeonMadman
Thanks for the help, everyone. Ideally, I'd like to get both lyrics and music in a printable format. I know that, as WTS publications go, this probably isn't high on anyone's scanning list. And what confuses the matter even more is that so many of the WT's songbooks have very similar tiitles. The pdf that possible-san posted was the 1950 songbook, but has almost the same titles as the 1928 songbook. In terms of your suggestion that I request songs from your friend, I don't have the actual book anymore to know which songs I would want. Guess I'll just keep hoping that someone with a copy eventually does a pdf version. If anybody runs across one that is available, please let me know.
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Hitler and the JW's...
by ForbiddenFruit ini'm sure it's been asked before, but i'll ask it again.
after watching a ww2 movie, my dad came out with a random line..."what's special is that a small group of people known as the jehovah's witnesses stood up to him.
now, my dad is a strong jw and i have left, so this was a blatant taunt.
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NeonMadman
They only "stood up to" Hitler after Hitler rebuffed their attempts to make nice with him. Check out some of these links: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/best-of/78490/1/The-Best-of-WTS-Hitler-and-the-Holocaust.
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Old Songbooks
by JediMaster inhi, i usually don't post here a lot but, i spent some time with my aunt and uncle last week.
he's df'ed and she's inactive but still makes some meetings.
we somehow got into how bad some of the new songs are and they both mentioned a few interesting things about the songs back in the 60-80's.
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NeonMadman
Does anyone know whether there is a pdf on the web anywhere of that 1928 songbook, Songs of Praise to Jehovah? As I recall, it had early versions of some of the "kingdom songs" with lyrics that were, at least in some cases, more Christian than JW. I used to have a copy, but my ex took it in the divorce (along with pretty much everything else).
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A WALK DOWN BOND STREET
by Terry injames bond composer john barry turned 77 the other day.. in honor of his birthday i decided to compose a tribute to his wonderfully evocative music for the early bond films.. this is an original composition that uses the style and thematic vamps which make the bond films so enjoyable.. a walk down bond street.
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NeonMadman
Hey, I had one of those Magnus Chord Organs when I was a kid! That's how I learned keyboard too (at least the treble side...).
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A WALK DOWN BOND STREET
by Terry injames bond composer john barry turned 77 the other day.. in honor of his birthday i decided to compose a tribute to his wonderfully evocative music for the early bond films.. this is an original composition that uses the style and thematic vamps which make the bond films so enjoyable.. a walk down bond street.
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NeonMadman
Awesome piece, Terry!
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Did Jesus resurrect Himself?
by brotherdan inthis is a common scripture, but i find it interesting that it is in direct conflict to jw belief.
john 2:19 says, "jesus answered them, "destroy this temple, and i will raise it again in three days.
" the jews replied, "it has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?
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NeonMadman
The Bible did not say this. In fact it says that after he was resurrected the apostles realized that this had been fulfilled in Jesus.
I know that. I was just telling you what the WTS has said. They don't even claim that the text refers to Jesus' resurrection, but to his raising up the "spiritual temple" after his resurrection. It's a major case of rationalizing the clear words of the text.
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How do Jehovah's Witnesses interpret the Bible?
by brotherdan inthis is the information for the number 3 talk this week.. how do jehovahs witnesses arrive at their explanation of the bible?.
a key factor is that the witnesses really believe that the bible is gods word and that what it contains is there for our instruction.
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NeonMadman
JW's don't interpret the Bible at all. The Watchtower interprets it for them, and they swallow whatever they are told unquestioningly.