Posts by Ucantnome

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Would you call JW HQ???

by DATA-DOG in

i have a friend who is still in.

this friend is a partaker, but has serious doubts about the org.

this friend wants to stand up as a man, and wants to call wtbts hq.

Ucantnome

So....no "real" JW will put faith in anything said by a cowardly "closet" partaker.

My view.

I always felt if I was to partake it would be joining the body, part of the FDS class as they were identified at the time and would therefore be responsible for any things that are taught as I believed the FDS class were responsible for the spiritual food. I felt similar regarding the elder body and the decisions they came to.

I would think the Governing Body give a lot of consideration to their decisions and would not think that there was anything one might add that they hadn't considered and if I believed that they were directed in some way by the holy spirit I think my money may be wasted on the phone call.

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The poor and deprived life of JW children.

by Esse quam videri in

i find it hard to believe that adults on this forum make such a big deal about not celebrating birthdays, x-mas, easter, halloween, etc, etc, etc.

i grew up as a jw kid and it actually made me feel good, being different from the other kids in school.

we went to meetings.

Ucantnome

Esse quam videri

Maybe your childhood would have been different if your father was an elder in the congregation. Magwitch mentions and I quote 'Watching Hockey would never, ever have been allowed in my JW home growing up.' My father was very similar. When I was young we never watched sports particularly football, American or soccer. I wasn't particularly good at football but my brother was but wasn't allowed to play for the school, bad association and it might impinge on theocratic activities. My parents were strong witnesses we never missed meetings or field service. We were raised with pioneering in mind and we did. We done pioneer days. I witnessed at school and work and some came to the meetings. As a child it was one long round of meetings field service study and assemblies. My parents didn't believe in vacations from theocratic activities either. We studied, Your Will Be Done On Earth on a Monday night as a family and the Babylon the Great has Fallen Gods Kingdom rules, on Tuesday night at the meeting these were deep books and I had little interest in them at the age of 8 but my parents expected me to have an interest in them. There was no young people at our book study meeting. We had no friends of our own age there was very few young people in the congregation.We had a two hour Thursday night meeting Saturday and Sunday field service this was when I was in primary school. I also remember when I was about 7 my brother explaining to me how Armageddon could start at any time which was based on the belief that the tribulation had started in 1914 and soon we would be in a paradise earth which was better than Christmas and Birthdays but it wasn't true.

I think my child hood as a witness was probably quite different from yours.

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The poor and deprived life of JW children.

by Esse quam videri in

i find it hard to believe that adults on this forum make such a big deal about not celebrating birthdays, x-mas, easter, halloween, etc, etc, etc.

i grew up as a jw kid and it actually made me feel good, being different from the other kids in school.

we went to meetings.

Ucantnome

Sure I liked staying home some Saturdays and watching Spiderman cartoons, BUT, I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, [is that enough to get my point across?] ever missed birthdays, x-mass, etc etc etc.

When I was a child there was no Saturday or Sunday morning cartoons to stay home watch but I still would have rather stayed home rather than go in the field service. On a Sunday my father would generally get stuck on the first or second door for the full hour while i had to be ready with a smile on my face to hand the householder an invitation to the Sunday talk which we knew they were unlikely to attend. Often this was in cold weather and i would have blocks of ice for feet by the time we left and then got a telling off as i didnt look interested in the conversation at the door. I was preschool.

My parents would generally go out on Christmas day and so would take us kids with them. I can remember calling on kids homes that I went to school with. Although I got a long with the kids at school this wasn't something I enjoyed doing, calling at their homes on Christmas morning.

My parents didn't believe in having present days, too much like Christmas. Therefore I didn't get presents at least nothing in wrapping paper. I got a pen when I graduated from junior high from my parents, that was it for gifts. My older sibling can remember when my parents did celebrate Christmas and their excitement the night before on Christmas eve. There was no excitement like that in my childhood. I can remember going to my grandparents house after Christmas day with a lot of my cousins there and dreading the thought that should Christmas be mentioned or gifts or anything to be ready to give some sort of witness and my father didn't like mistakes.

I'm not a kid anymore and it was years ago but truthfully I can say I didn't enjoy my childhood and I certainly didn't enjoy the meetings or field service and loathed the assemblies.

As for joining the theocratic ministry school. I hated giving every talk I ever gave and I gave quite a few over thirty years. When I joined I don't think they had bible readings. I think it was a short talk. I wouldn't have joined had my father not suggested it. It was best to heed his suggestions. As a young teen when I was baptised I remember being at the kingdom hall one Sunday and thinking how much I hated the thought that one day I would have to be an elder. Thankfully I was able to avoid it.

If you are an adult and feel you had a deprived childhood, grow up and get over it.

I didn't subject my children to the same childhood as I had. When I was a witness and we had children I didn't take them to the assemblies, to sit for hours listening to things they wouldn't understand. Field service was brief and meetings were shorter and at one time when they were young we didn't take them in the week as they were tired. They grew up fine.

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The poor and deprived life of JW children.

by Esse quam videri in

i find it hard to believe that adults on this forum make such a big deal about not celebrating birthdays, x-mas, easter, halloween, etc, etc, etc.

i grew up as a jw kid and it actually made me feel good, being different from the other kids in school.

we went to meetings.

Ucantnome

I wouldn't say I was unhappy or happy but I didn't share your 'Exhilarating, exciting, mind blowing for a 7 year old. What kid at school got to experience that.' This was something I would rather not have experienced, giving some talk at the age of 7/8

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A publishing company turns prophet for profit$$$

by Brokeback Watchtower in

well that's all i can think of right now, know jehovah how?

dah read the book and find out personally maybe knowing jehovah ain't what it is all cracked up to be:.

'know jehovah how' book page 286. what a thrilling moment it will be when, during the coming "great tribulation" on this present system of things, the authentic news comes from all around the earth that the antitypical jerusalem, christendom, has fallen at the hands of jehovah's executional forces!

Ucantnome

At the time we had 1975 and the generation that would not pass away and this from the book

Page 216

'Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom'

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

Ucantnome

SimonSays in the 1984 Watchtower October 1st page 24

*Regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he once confessed to us at Bethel, "I made an ass of myself"

Evidently this was from Rutherford.

I can't see any benefit in taking the time reading how he managed to do this.

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

Ucantnome

As I continually state: research for yourselves verses accepting what is written in joke facts.

SimonSays I'm not sure I understand what you mean here by' joke facts' could you give me an example?

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

Ucantnome

Those who have tried to keep God’s judgment time “close in mind” have, on more than one occasion throughout history, become overly eager for that day’s arrival, in their own minds trying to rush the arrival of the desired events. (2 Pet. 3:12) In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: “However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.

The Watchtower article that you mentioned which I've quoted above, SimonSays, quotes the apostle Pauls words we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us. and in your earlier post you said 'But just like everything else, those JW’s that were new or didn’t understand the premise took 1975 to mean the fulfillment of Christ presence and overstepped their expectations, by overshadowing what had been published earlier.'

By quoting from the book God's "Eternal Purpose" Now Triumphing For Man's Good published by the Watch tower 1974 in my post along with my other posts where I mentioned what elders (appointed men) said in the congregation that I attended and my own father's view who was also an elder and I a pioneer I hope I have shown why I believed that Armageddon would come by 1975 and it wasn't because we were new it was because of what we received as spiritual food from the slave.

In the Watchtower 1981 Feb15th on page 18 it asks the question

'How shall we view the spiritual food provided by this "faithful and discreet slave"? Should it be viewed critically-'Oh well, it might be true but then again it might not be and so we have to scrutinize it very critically'?'

page 19

If we have once established what instrument God is using as his "slave" to dispense spiritual food to his people, surely Jehovah is not pleased if we receive that food as though it might contain something harmful. We should have confidence in the channel God is using. At the Brooklyn headquarters from which the Bible publications of Jehovah's Witnesses emanate there are more mature Christian elders, both of the "remnant" and of the "other sheep" than anywhere else upon the earth.

Well SimonSays I had that confidence in 1975 and in the teaching regarding the generation but I no longer have that same confidence.

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Summarize every the meeting in 20 seconds

by Sour Grapes in

jw
friends

the world is full of wickedness.. the end is very near.. we must do more.. how thankful we are for the governing body.

.

Ucantnome

The world is full of wickedness.

The end is very near.

We must do more.

How thankful we are for the Governing Body.

I never found them that interesting

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1975 failed prediction?

by Garrett in

jw
friends

heyo,.

your favorite garrett here.

so, i'm about to have an elder tell me allll about the failed 1975 doctrine.

Ucantnome

this is from my previous post

'In 1968 the belief was the tribulation had started in 1914 and had been cut short . The brother who brought my parents,in told them one day u will put the radio on and Armageddon will have started just like those roman armies that returned to Jerusalem in 70.'

I believe that this view was changed in 1970 and the Watchtower of January 15th had an article regarding it. On pages 52 it makes the comment that in the Watchtower of May 1st 1925 the suggestion was set out that the tribulation had begun in 1914 and God had stopped the World War 1 in November 1918 allowing an interval of activity of the anointed remnant for sheep like ones to be saved.

It mentions that at this time the bible timetable presented in the 1889 book The Time is at Hand was thought to be correct and it says 'Hence it was not calculated that six thousand years or man's life on earth were yet to end during the 1970's'

It further mentions that the interval between the first part of the tribulation is 51 years and not over if this view was correct.

On page 53 it says if the suggest for cutting short the great tribulation in the middle were true as suggested in 1925 then 'Then the time interval between the opening part of the "great tribulation' and the closing Armageddon part thereof will prove to be around five times as long as the length of the "great tribulation"

My mathematic skills are not particularly good but this 'will prove to be five times as long' is I think arrived at that 51 years had passed by since 1918 and the war was about 4 years and there was six years approx. to autumn of 1975 from this January Watchtower which would make ten years if Armageddon was to start soon, 5 times 10 is 50, about five times as long. Armageddon needing to be over by autumn 1975 so as not to encroach on the last 1000 years of Christ's reign.

Maybe not but the effect it had on my parents that although the belief had changed they still firmly believed that the end would come by the autumn of 1975. My father had a good job and was reasonably intelligent and had served as a servant and elder conducting the Watchtower study with pioneer children. In the year that this Watchtower change came about he made a decision to move and simplify his life somewhat which would enable him and us to do more in the 'truth' which we did. We didn't even have a television for some years. However if he had retained the house he sold then his estate would have been worth at least 4 times what it was when he died. His children lost out in a financial way but not just us as my children recently pointed out how it has and will effect them. This doesn't include the fact that I turned down a pension policy many years ago because I wouldn't be needing one due to the belief in the generation that will not pass away. I finished my education early due to the 1975 so as to pioneer. Not for my own personal gain. But I have also had to argue that it was due to the teachings of the Watchtower and not something I or my parents read into it that I made the decisions in my life. When I was leaving the JW and the elders came they clearly stated it was nothing to do with the Watchtower. Admittedly I could be wrong on some things.