Posts by Ucantnome

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-11-2015 WT Study (EXPECTATION)

by blondie in

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blondies highlights from the10-11-2015 wt study (august 15, 2015), pages (14-18) .

for pictures see this link.

opening comments.

Ucantnome

'That in itself is a good reason to remain in expectation—Jesus told us to do so! In this regard, Jehovah’s organization has set an example. Its publications have consistently exhorted us to “await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah” and to fix our hope on God’s promised new world'

I find this comment from the Watchtower March 15 1980 page 17/18 regarding 1975 interesting.

6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

and the question to the paragraph was

Did the information in the July 15,1976, Watchtower endeavor to lay the responsibility for such expectation solely or primarily on its readers? Explain.

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Why some are religious or not?

by Vidqun in

time article: several years before pope francis became pope of the catholic church in 2013, psychologists began to debunk the idea that being more educated meant a person was less likely to be religious.

instead, a new social psychology theoryone that had little to do with education levelarose.

according to dual process theory, people are either deliberative or intuitive when they make decisions.

Ucantnome

Hence we come across some very well educated people, able to use Critical Thinking skills in their professional life, who are still believers in some very dodgy nonsense.
The difficulty is to get such people to apply the skills they have to their "beliefs".

Some people have university degrees in theology and apply the skills to their religious beliefs and still remain believers I would imagine that they have critical thinking skills and are intelligent people.

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The right to shun - wrong?

by Simon in

many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

Ucantnome

i wasn't much good at shunning.

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Kick Back and Relax to Some Music

by Finkelstein in

that's right folks time to kick back , pour a cold one and in take in some tunes.. what are you listening to right now ?

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu87294pvx8.

Ucantnome

i wake up to mozart's turkish march

https://youtu.be/HMjQygwPI1c

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Kick Back and Relax to Some Music

by Finkelstein in

that's right folks time to kick back , pour a cold one and in take in some tunes.. what are you listening to right now ?

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu87294pvx8.

Ucantnome

https://youtu.be/b3cZqWoqweU

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What is your purpose or what do you wish to accomplish while a member of this board?

by Tenacious in

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when i joined this forum i was seeking more people who felt the same way i did in terms of seeing the jehovah's witness organization for what it truly was; a false prophet.. once i found like-minded members i slowly started to open up and participate more in trying to help others that were also exiting mentally and physically.

today, i offer support to anyone who desires it regardless of what they believe or not believe.. so what is your purpose on this board?.

support?

Ucantnome

Nothing. Its just something to do.

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EXACTLY Why JW's Are NOT Christian

by Perry in

a lot of people, ex-jws, believers and unbelievers alike, think that jw's are just a somewhat kooky brand of christianity.

is it possible to "try and follow jesus" and not be christian?

what exactly makes someone a christian?

Ucantnome

'I guess for a fundamentalist Christian that believes following their specific form of Christianity is essential for salvation, then it is essential for every JW to leave and convert to their fundamentalist viewpoint. I find such a concept simply offensive'

This sounds similar to your mother's belief as a JW, I think. However offensive you find it you feel it is better to stay a JW I would think.

I agree with you. I can think of someone who has lost a loved one and finds the resurrection hope that they have, having been raised as a JW a great comfort and I wouldn't want to cause that person any more distress by causing them to question their belief and maybe even to lose their belief in God and there are older people who have a lifetime of commitment and change can be very difficult.

On the other hand some years ago before I left the Witnesses I had a discussion with a sister (elders daughter) along the same lines as Perry's thread and whether she was covered by Christ's sacrifice.

I understand the New Covenant is the agreement between God and Man with Christ as mediator and those that were called Christians in the first century were in it and partook of the bread and the wine. I would think that in the first century a person wouldn't be viewed as a Christian ,when the term was first used, if they had a view like most JW but I could be wrong.

It's a bit like my father who believed that the generation that saw the events of 1914 would not pass away before the end came. I remember as a child him discussing it in the door to door witnessing. He would never grow old an die. Unfortunately that was not the case and he has been cremated. Although he believed he was assisting Christ's brothers in the preaching work as he understood them to be 'the mouthpiece of God' God didn't see fit to uphold his belief and he died. I find it doesn't inspire confidence in any other explanations that he may have had.

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EXACTLY Why JW's Are NOT Christian

by Perry in

a lot of people, ex-jws, believers and unbelievers alike, think that jw's are just a somewhat kooky brand of christianity.

is it possible to "try and follow jesus" and not be christian?

what exactly makes someone a christian?

Ucantnome

'My concern is with helping JWs leave.'

jwfacts do you feel everyone should leave?

When i was a witness i always avoided born again christians.

'when now I have stepped back I can see both of them as cut from the same cloth. Fundamentalists that are controlled by the undue influence of their human leadership.'

I spoke to a theologian who felt that atheists and fundamentalists are two sides of the same coin. I suppose we all have our own views.

I have found myself almost encouraging some to stay witnesses, as you say they try to be christian however at times I feel like Perry says they are not christian as I would define one but I can't judge. I wouldn't want to encourage anyone to lose their faith.

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EXACTLY Why JW's Are NOT Christian

by Perry in

a lot of people, ex-jws, believers and unbelievers alike, think that jw's are just a somewhat kooky brand of christianity.

is it possible to "try and follow jesus" and not be christian?

what exactly makes someone a christian?

Ucantnome

jwfacts do you think that the difference between how you view JW Christianity and how Perry views it has to do with how you both may view judgement day differently?

when I first joined this forum. I felt concern regarding people I knew who were/are JW and their Christianity and had similar views to Perry

now i don't give a fig

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How will many JW's react ?

by Phizzy in

i did not believe i would see the demise of the wt in my lifetime, and maybe i will not, they may be able to ride out their present problems.. but how do you think this will affect the average, loyal, believing jw ?.

usually most things just wash over them, if there is a slight niggle, they use their well-worn way of explaining things to themselves as in "the end is near" or "jehovah knows best" etc etc.

but the huge sea-change in corporate policy that we see unfolding, all construction work stopped, except warwick and maybe their biggest project, chelmsford u.k. huge bethel layoffs, and the lifestyle of the remaining staff reduced to virtual slavery, more bethel closures, spiritual food reduced for the public as well as the r&f, and all of this being the opposite of what they have claimed was evidence of jehovah's blessing ???.

Ucantnome

If I was a witness I wouldn't be tooo concerned