Some ate the bread and drank the wine
Ucantnome
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Coming to terms with the Watchtower experience
by Lee Elder init is a challenge coming to terms with your experience as a jehovah's witness.
if you were born and raised as a jw, and your parents were true believers, the impact on your life is profound, lasting, and largely negative.
in some cases quite abusive emotionally, spiritually, financially, educationally and yes, even sexually.. i recently watched "trumbo", and was quite moved by dalton trumbo's speech to the screen writers guild in 1970. here is an excerpt that i think is quite relevant to this topic:.
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Ucantnome
I post on this site. I don't feel that I hate JW. I work with and have coffee with JW.
I suppose the closest I came to cutting all ties with JW was when I watched the videos of the Royal Commission in Australia.
When I left the JW for theological differences after being raised a JW. I felt concerned at the time that this may cause a split in the family. However I encouraged my wife to continue to attend if that is what she wanted to do. She didn't. (She attended a few times over the first few years.) No elder or elders wife has ever enquired in 20 years as to how she felt about the truth she was raised as JW and baptised Witness for 20 years.
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What would you do if you won a $300 million lottery
by LevelThePlayingField ini would pay a highly rated, very expensive advertising company to run a 1 minute ad that ran nationwide primetime every night of the week until i spent $75 million of it telling how the wt was covering over pedophiles and for people to go to jwfacts.com for the truth about the truth.
it would be done in very good taste, way better than political ads.
i would spare no expense.
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Did You Get Invited to the Memorial?
by Ding ini'm just wondering if jws keep inviting you back or if they've given up on you.. they haven't invited me for years..
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Have you ever had your oven door explode?
by Ucantnome inthe other day the glass in my oven door exploded and sent glass into the next room, fortunately i wasn't peering in at the time.
about a year go the previous oven door shattered one morning.
the oven was cold.
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The Kingdom Message
by truth doubter inregarding the unique preaching of the kingdom by wt (new creation, heavenly kings, priests and judges, restoration of paradise on earth etc.).
the scriptures seem to back up wts interpretation.
so, although there are a million reasons to become inactive, how can our conscience allow us not to become active in the work described at matt.
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Ucantnome
So, although there are a million reasons to become inactive, how can our conscience allow us not to become active in the work described at Matt. 24:14? I know there are many possibilities.
I understood the preaching we were engaged in related to Revelation 14:7. Good news and a judgment message.
The Watchtower March 15 1970.Pg. 174
The present-day “good News” concerning God's kingdom is that it has been established in heaven in this very generation; yes, that Jesus Christ has been enthroned there and is ruling in the midst of his enemies. This means that Satan the Devil has been cast from heaven to the vicinity of the earth, and that he will soon be abyssed and his entire wicked system of things destroyed. What good news.So when I felt I was no longer convinced of this my conscience would not allow me to join as a witness in preaching it.
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Preaching the "good news"
by truth doubter injust wondering.
what do those who left wt, and still believe the bible, feel about matt.24:14?
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Ucantnome
I think that this book was published in 1963 and maybe the message 'millions now living' may have had some relevance with,
'the combined number of Kingdom advertisers around the earth numbered more than a million in April. — Revelation 7:9,10.' ("Babylon The Great Has Fallen!" God's Kingdom Rules!)
but not sure that it would now.
I think this Cedar Point Ohio mentioned in the quote is also the when the sounding of the seven trumpets got under way according to them.
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Preaching the "good news"
by truth doubter injust wondering.
what do those who left wt, and still believe the bible, feel about matt.24:14?
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Ucantnome
I was specifically referring to the "Kingdom" message. WT has explained many aspects of the kingdom
I was thinking of this with regard to the Kingdom message, taken from the book "Babylon The Great Has Fallen!" God's Kingdom Rules! Chapter 21 Under the subheading Good News and a Judgement Message ( www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/babylon/babylon21.html)
The news of God's kingdom, even when it was yet coming, was gospel or good news. (Matthew 4:23; Mark 1:14, 15) The news that God's kingdom was already set up and put in operation in the heavens was still better news. First in 1920 did we discern that the good news of God's kingdom as established in the heavens in 1914 (A.D.) was to be preached in fulfillment of Matthew 24:14. This verse was the theme text of the article "Gospel of the Kingdom" that was published in The Watch Tower in English under date of July 1, 1920. In the last paragraph on page 199, the article quoted Jesus' prophecy in Matthew 24:14 and then went on to say:
It will be noted he does not say the gospel that has been preached to the meek throughout the entire Gospel age shall be preached. What gospel then could he mean? The gospel means good news. The good news here is concerning the end of the old order of things and the establishment of Messiah's kingdom. It means the dark night of sin and sorrow is passing away. It means that Satan's empire is falling, never to rise again. . . .
. . . Plainly this would seem to indicate that now the church must engagethe proclamation of this good news as a witness to the nations of earth, and then the old order will entirely pass away and the new will be here...Shortly afterward, namely, on Friday, September 8, 1922, at an international assembly of unsectarian Bible students in Cedar Point, Ohio, in an address on "The Kingdom" at 9:30 a.m., it was said to them that they must be witnesses of the Lord God, that is, Jehovah's witnesses. The speaker, J. F. Rutherford, then president of the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society, quoted to the assembled thousands Isaiah 43:8-12 (AV) and then proceeded to say:
Thus we see that those of the temple class are clearly designated as the Lord's witnesses at this time, to bring a message of consolation to the people, that the kingdom of heaven is here, and that millions now living will never die... -
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Memorial mixed emotions...
by Tornintwo indoes anyone else feel 'pulled back in' at this time of year?.
i still consider myself to a believer, believe in god and jesus christ, on the whole i think he taught tolerance, love, acceptance and i think we can benefit from following his example.
i love ray franzs book in search of christian freedom.
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Ucantnome
Does anyone else feel 'pulled back in' at this time of year?
no I always felt after I left that the memorial was the only meeting I couldn't attend
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Why dont you go to the memorial?
by atomant inl guess we all have our own reasons and thought it would give insight to others considering going to reconsider and not go.
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Ucantnome
i feel that i would be endorsing their teachings