okay so i am not sure what happaned but for the past few months, we get invites to other ppls home just to watch the broadcasting. the ones who invite us, are all heavily indoctrinated and I always have to hide my inner feelings and criticism in front of them. which is eating me up haha. so this saturday we are invited to an elders home to watch the march broadcasting.
nevaagain
JoinedPosts by nevaagain
-
12
March Broadcast - Remove the Rafter - Adjust Your attitude
by helpmeout inif you have watched the march broadcast you will understand the topic title.
another propaganda piece intended to subtly blame the victim.
i would like to see them present a clip showing an arrogant self righteous elder interfering in the personal affairs of a family.
-
-
-
6
What are some good books as good as Crisis of Convience or Journey to God's House which you can recommend?
by nevaagain ini know ttatt for a few years now (first thread was over 14 years ago) but i am still in.
right now i have this hunger for peoples experiences who left the truth.
especially those higher ups have a lot of good stories to tell.
-
-
nevaagain
@Witness My Fury, yea I didnt think much about my username 14 years ago and I am still in for various reasons. I know it bothers me but I dont want to make a decision which might bring in more problems than solve. -
6
What are some good books as good as Crisis of Convience or Journey to God's House which you can recommend?
by nevaagain ini know ttatt for a few years now (first thread was over 14 years ago) but i am still in.
right now i have this hunger for peoples experiences who left the truth.
especially those higher ups have a lot of good stories to tell.
-
-
nevaagain
I know TTATT for a few years now (first thread was over 14 years ago) but I am still in. Right now I have this hunger for peoples experiences who left the truth. Especially those higher ups have a lot of good stories to tell. I read Crisis of Concience in one day. Also both books Brock Talon were wonderful especially his first book Journey to God's House I can only recommend. Right now I am reading through John Bechtels Blog: http://www.johnbechtelblog.com/john-bechtel/chapter-1-becoming-a-foot-soldier-for-god/
So what I wanted to ask is, what other books can you recommend which are similar to the mentioned above? I really would like to know how bethel life is now, or just ten years ago. Because the above books mentioned bethel life 30 years ago.
-
53
How did you feel when they eliminated the Con. Book Study?
by Freeandclear inyears ago when i was "in" i loved the book study.
it was my favorite meeting by far.
mainly because it was a small group.
-
-
nevaagain
I had a bitter sweet relationship with the book study.
When I was young, we had the book study on sunday morning. While I didnt care about the book study, I never stayed long to socialize because my dad wanted to go to service asap after it ended. Also good thing was, that it was at our home. So while I didnt mind the book study and some times even enjoyed it, I hated to leave for service.
Later when the bookstudy was during the week and not in our home anymore, I started to miss it. I would make excuses, sometimes even arriving late home. Then I would tell my parents, that they should finally get rid of that, but never really believing that they would and to my surprise they did! But its not that I had something against the book study, but it was one more day that I had to get ready for a "meeting". It would have been even better to get rid of the mid week meeting.
-
33
How to spot faders or "closeted" apostates in a congregation / meeting?
by nevaagain inso i am awoken for several years now (never really bought the cool aid) but for family reasons i am still enduring everything.
but my wife knows ... .
anyway so yesterday we had this boring meeting and as i was sitting there trying to make time pass faster i looked around me and i thought who else feels the same as me and is completely bored?
-
-
nevaagain
So I am awoken for several years now (never really bought the cool aid) but for family reasons I am still enduring everything. But my wife knows ...
Anyway so yesterday we had this boring meeting and as I was sitting there trying to make time pass faster I looked around me and I thought who else feels the same as me and is completely bored? And then I thought, who else from this congregation is also fully awoken and might be a lurker or even an active member of this message board?
Judging from the talks and their comments, none of our higher ranks are awoken. They are trying to accomplish something - that is more hours in service and try to reach all the ppl in several languages. So when I talk to them, they make me feel like something is wrong with me, for not putting the same hours as they are doing. For not showing the same zeal as they are doing.
There was a brother a couple of years ago, his wife was ill, she would not come to the meetings and he would come alone with this little son. He almost never gave comments, even though from the way he talked after the meeting, he seemed quite knowledgeable. When he came to the meetings, he would sit on the last row, playing games on his smartphone. Then he stopped coming to the meetings altogether and I heard from others that he some "crazy" ideas.
Too bad I never really talked to him, I guess I never wanted to expose myself.
We recently got a former special pioneer couple. They look tired and a little be unhappy. Even though they were special pioneers, I dont get the same vibe from them as the other pioneers in our congregation, so lets see if they might be up to something.
So right now, that is how I am spending my meeting, trying to spot "closeted" apostates and faders ;-)
-
30
When Did Higher Education Become Taboo?
by Wild_Thing ini have been reading about the early history of russelites/jws and in the beginning, it seems the organization was formed and headed by quite a few educated people.
lawyers, doctors, businessman.
you could buy voting rights within the organization for $1000, which by today's standard would be somewhere between $15,000 and $20,000, something most of us do not have on hand, unless you are highly educated and/or wealthy.
-
-
nevaagain
Uneducated people make for good converts and those are the people that most of the time stay in the religion. Also educated people are unhappy being JWs. So in a way, if you are a JW ignorance is bliss. -
23
So Long Palmyra NY Hall
by mrquik inah just more evidence of the work "speeding up during the time of the end".
i helped build this hall.
was appointed as an ms & elder there.
-
-
nevaagain
just to add to what @sir82 said. there were a couple of congregations which build a hall with their own money and are basicly housing only one congregation. those halls are often in such a proximity, that really, they only suit the one congregation. seeing as it was build by their own funds, it is not big deal, right? Now I heard, that to support the 3 congregations per kingdom hall plan, they might sell off those congregations and make them move to other halls. Unfair right? What if its elderly who scapped their last dime to have a hall nearby so they dont have to travel far?
-
10
Pioneer Identiffication Number
by Lostandfound insaw in atlantis post re pioneer school abroad this in brnch letter.
piioneer identification number.
so do publishers get one, are the jws now just numbers?.
-
-
nevaagain
yea pioneers used to get discounts for literature when they were still being sold and meals at conventions when there was still food at conventions with that pioneer card. not sure what kind of benefit it would have now. -
15
Interlinear bible removed from the JW app?
by nmthinker inmy iphone doesn't have the interlinear bible anymore, the one with the greek and translated english together.
.
did they remove it?
-
-
nevaagain
I havent checked yet if the Interlinear is still there, but can someone post examples as to why is it easier to find the TATT with the help of the Interlinear bible?
Also, dont they say say that they only add the name of god, where it is supposed to be after carefully examining the original handwritten manuscripts?
-
33
Question about visiting bethel ... akward moment at the end
by nevaagain insince there a couple of ex-bethelites here, and a lot of people from the greater ny area who have probably visited the bethel in brooklyn and patterson many times, maybe they can shed some light into this curious question we (my wife and me) have for awhile.. so a couple of years ago, we happaned to be in the states and also went to visit the bethels in brooklyn and patterson.
we had the full package, what i mean is, not only we took the tour, but we also had someone to invite us for lunch.
while we wanted to enjoy our stay there, there was always a weird feeling being there.
-
-
nevaagain
To add to my first post. After we arrived home, we really felt bad that we didnt give something in return.
I guess stating that we had the "full package" was misleading. At Patterson we only had the basic tour and lunch. At Brooklyn, other than the normal tour and lunch, we got a smaller tour through the translation department and also our tour guide (which was married) took us and showed us her room which was located in one of the nice buildings in near Bethel. We kind of recognized her lobby with the piano in the last jw movie (the scene where the party was). Also we took some nice pictures there of the Manhatten skyline.
Anyway, I feel really bad now, that we were so unprepared and didnt give anything in return. I think I didnt even have any cash with me that day.
By the way, we kind of were dissapointed by lunch. In Brooklyn we got vegetable Lasagna and unsweetened ice tea and at Patterson we got Philly cheesesteak, which occured to us as beeing an odd choice of a meal, especially for Bethel and made the table look like a mess.
@Billy the Ex-Bethelite thank you for the clarification what would really the full package consist of ;-)