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  To spank or not to spank?

  by Nowhere in

  1. watchtower
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  i had a conversation with an active witness from the usa lately.

  and when talking about child upbringing he stated that some children need a spank sometimes.

  of course i was upset because of that, and i didn't thought witnesses was that stupid.

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  144001, listen you prick. When I have to choose between my child's death and slapping his hand, I will slap his hand. Do you have any sense at all?? WTF are you trying to talk about? - - Larc

  Larc,

  Did I hit a nerve? Are you really ashamed of the barbaric manner in which you raise your kids? Is that the reason you've stooped to using profanity in this discussion? Professor? Ha Ha. Who do you teach, and more importantly, who is foolish enough to take anything you say seriously?

  I laughed at your efforts to represent yourself as an authority on child rearing, merely because you have three kids, which you implied gives you better perspective than one who has only one child. I may have only one child, but I don't need to hit her. I have a brain, unlike you, and I try to use it instead of resorting to violence. You should start attending meetings at the kingdom hall again, where beating children in the manner you've described is an accepted and revered practice.

  It is indeed a shame that you are unable to keep your composure when faced with discussions that make you uncomfortable about your conduct.
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  To spank or not to spank?

  by Nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i had a conversation with an active witness from the usa lately.

  and when talking about child upbringing he stated that some children need a spank sometimes.

  of course i was upset because of that, and i didn't thought witnesses was that stupid.

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  Stinky,

  Striking another human is violent, regardless of how it is characterized.you choose to characterize it. And yes, it is my opinion that it is bad conduct, but it is also my opinion that those who choose to judge other parents using by their own standards on this issue are also engaging in bad conduct. Experience taught me that parenting is hard work, and that I shouldn't judge others solely because they deal with parenting in a manner that differs from me. Larc's stated responses to misconduct in his house are certainly reasonable, and I don't think any less of him because he did what he did.

  Every kid is unique, and as Larc points out, what works on one may not work on another. Hence I believe that parents ought to be given latitude, within reasonable limits, on the subject of discipline. Just as it is wrong for me to judge Larc as being a bad parent for using physical discipline, it is also wrong for others here to criticize parents who choose a non-violent approach to discipline.

  I hope this clarifies my opinion on this issue.

  Editing: Additions are underlined, deletions are struck through. Edited to remove the erroneous and unintended appearance of a personal attack, and to add clarity.

  Edited by - 144001 on 21 August 2002 20:8:31
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  To spank or not to spank?

  by Nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i had a conversation with an active witness from the usa lately.

  and when talking about child upbringing he stated that some children need a spank sometimes.

  of course i was upset because of that, and i didn't thought witnesses was that stupid.

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  Stinky,

  The psychology I spoke of can't be learned in books; rather, it comes from experience in dealing with kids.

  I don't condemn parents who utilize moderate physical discipline as part of their approach to child rearing; I just choose to use a non-violent means of discipline. I get satisfaction out of correcting bad conduct without resorting to bad conduct myself.
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  To spank or not to spank?

  by Nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i had a conversation with an active witness from the usa lately.

  and when talking about child upbringing he stated that some children need a spank sometimes.

  of course i was upset because of that, and i didn't thought witnesses was that stupid.

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  Larc,

  "You said I should send him to his room. That is a great idea. I send him to his room where he can find other electrical outlets, and have another opportunity to kill himself."

  I said nothing of the sort. If you read my post carefully, you will see that I did not state any objections to the manner in which you handled the problem. Maybe you ought to invest in some simple child-safing measures around your house so that the dangerous situations, and the physical punishment you use to deal with them, are minimized?
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  To spank or not to spank?

  by Nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i had a conversation with an active witness from the usa lately.

  and when talking about child upbringing he stated that some children need a spank sometimes.

  of course i was upset because of that, and i didn't thought witnesses was that stupid.

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  Larc,

  A bigger sample of children's behavior is not necessarily a better sample. You have no clue of what our family has gone through, and this forum is no place for me to publicize all the gory details. Suffice it to say that my experience as a parent has been extremely extraordinary as well as extremely difficult, but I continue to use psychology rather than physical violence as a disciplinary solution. However, it could be possible that some day this is insufficient, at which time I would reevaluate my approach.

  As for the toddler and the electric socket, as I said, I don't think you did anything wrong and your approach was certainly reasonable. Fortunately, we avoided this problem by child safing our house. Nevertheless, if I were in the situation, I'd probably yell and very forcefully remove the child from the situation. Then I would explain to the child the reason why he ought to avoid engaging in that conduct. If it persisted, I would probably go to my next level of discipline, which is daddy taking favorite toys away, after a good warning. This one seems to be very effective. If that didn't work, I'd lock him in his room, again after warning him that this was coming. Of course, such responses are intended for use with toddlers - other means would be necessary for older children.

  Having responded to your hypothetical, I must also acknowledge the very real possibility that this approach might not work. As parents, we must always adapt our approaches to constantly changing circumstances. If I ever do resort to physical punishment, it will most certainly be my approach of last resort.
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  To spank or not to spank?

  by Nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i had a conversation with an active witness from the usa lately.

  and when talking about child upbringing he stated that some children need a spank sometimes.

  of course i was upset because of that, and i didn't thought witnesses was that stupid.

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  BTW - Nowhere, if you're female, I apologize for referring to you in the masculine tense.
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  To spank or not to spank?

  by Nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i had a conversation with an active witness from the usa lately.

  and when talking about child upbringing he stated that some children need a spank sometimes.

  of course i was upset because of that, and i didn't thought witnesses was that stupid.

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  Larc,

  I'm not sure what you were rebutting, as I didn't direct any of my comments to you or to the issue being discussed in this thread. I just thought it was inappropriate for mevirginia to insinuate that Nowhere has mental problems merely because she doesn't agree with his opinion.

  Having gotten that off my chest, I'll assume your "rebuttal" was your citation of two incidents in your family life that prompted you to use corporal punishment, and dive into this debate.

  I'm not here to tell anyone how they ought to raise their kids. I have never struck my daughter, ever, notwithstanding the fact that she's probably deserved it on more than one occasion. I don't believe that violence is a very intelligent means of solving kids problems; I try to outsmart her and use other means to get her to behave appropriately. For the most part, I've been successful, although certain problems have persisted and she's getting good at outsmarting me on some things.

  I totally condemn any sort of extreme physical punishment, including without limitation striking children with objects such as belts, wooden spoons, etc.. As a JW, I was subjected to this, and still resent it today. However, minor physical punishment, such as a slap to stop one from electrocuting themself or to prevent other serious harm from occurring is certainly a reasonable response, although it is not one that I would be likely to use. As for slapping the kid to keep him from hitting his sisters, again, it's not something I would do, but I can't condemn you for taking such action.

  I agree with Nowhere that violence will never solve the world's problems, nor will it solve your children's problems. Spanking has the desirable short-term effect of immediately correcting the undesirable behavior, but could also adversely affect the parent-child relationship, which trust is an important part of. Parents need to be patient, no matter how difficult it might be. If a parent decides to use moderate physical punishment as part of their discipline regime, I would hope that decision is based on lots of thought and research into the advantages and disadvantages of such an approach, rather than an inability of the parent to control their anger.
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  mikepence threatened to sue me / contributions

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as you may or may not be aware the poster 'mikepence' has asked people to donate to enable him (and his family?

  ) to travel to the silentlambs march and to file charges against their alleged abuser.

  because he seemed to suddenly become very opposed to the idea of attending the march, i and some others asked him what i thought were simple and reasonable questions.

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  Watching you bunch of jackels rip and tear at an obviously hurting fellow XJW is barely different than watching a Judicial Committee ripping and tearing at a "silentlamb". WHAT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES who try to portray this website as some sort of refuge for hurting XJWs!!!_________

  Anyone who has read any of Mike Pence's posts over the past few months should have been able to figure out that Mike has some serious problems._________

  This thread, as well as the initial questioning posts, were NOT necessary. Noone was forced to respond to his solicitation nor visit his webpage. Noone was forced to send him a donation. Anyone who did make a donation would have seen that they had 30 days to rescind such. Mike's announcement that he would not attend the March was sufficient notice for any donator to cancel their donation if they felt his decision warranted such._________

  Mike's flailing responses to accusations/insinuations of fraud are totally understandable. An intentionally fraudulant person would not have bothered to defend himself as Mike has._________

  The JWD Governing Body and Elders have sunk to a new low in imitating that which they claim to detest and oppose. They have gangraped one of their own in a lame attempt to protect their "territory", no different than how the WTS treats silentlambs. - - ErieGuy

  First, Eriefreak, how dare you refer to those with reasonable doubts about Mike Pence's intentions as "jackels?" Are you such a brainwashed idiot that you don't question anything, even when there are indicators that questions ought to be asked? Rather than being the "hypocrites" that you've described others as here, these folks are really just prudent individuals, asking questions so as to minimize the risk of being defrauded. You owe folks here an apology for your outrageous accusations.

  Your stupidity is further illustrated by your statement that "[a]n intentionally fraudulant person would not have bothered to defend himself as Mike has." [sic] As a former fraud examiner, I find your assertion to be lacking of any reasonable basis whatsoever and entirely idiotic, much like everything else you've said here. What is the basis for your knowledge of the behavior of those engaged in fraudulent activities? Are you one of them?

  JWD Governing Body and Elders? I'm beginning to believe that you are suffering from delusions. Go seek help, eriefreak.
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  YOU KNOW says "IT's A CONSCIENCE MATTER"

  by minimus in

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  yesterday i asked you know and yardif why they frequent these apostate sites.i asked this question: "how do you justify coming on these boards?".

  you know's answer:"the way i understand it, it is a conscience matter.

  " when i asked whether he was serious, he replied:"i am serious".when i asked him for further clarification, he suddenly vanished from the conversation.

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  Yadirf,

  While your intentions are admirable indeed, your efforts are devoid of any success. However, there is justification for your existence here; entertainment value. It is very entertaining to watch you relentless exhibit your foolishness for all to see. Thanks for the laugh!
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  To spank or not to spank?

  by Nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i had a conversation with an active witness from the usa lately.

  and when talking about child upbringing he stated that some children need a spank sometimes.

  of course i was upset because of that, and i didn't thought witnesses was that stupid.

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  You might have some issues that may be worth exploring with a professional. Not meaning to offend you but trying to be sincere. - - mevirginia

  If you really are as sincere as you claim to be, maybe you can explain for all of us what "issues" you suspect Nowhere has? I see nothing in his post that justifies your assertion that Nowhere "might have some issues that may be worth exploring with a professional." In fact, Nowhere made good points that you've failed miserably to rebut. Maybe you ought to follow your own advice?