The point is not the propriety of what AAWA/Cedars did. The point is the manner in which you responded to it, which was to try and throw Cedars to the criminal authorities. You can try to rewrite history and otherwise rationalize your conduct on this forum, but you have no ability to edit those posts, and they remain here for all to see.
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178Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'
by Simon init seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.
it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.
do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.
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How the Watchtower Society Views Women
by daringhart13 inhey gang,.....i continue to write as thoughts come to me.
i would love to hear how the ladies here feel about my observations on how the wtbs views/treats women.. new article here: http://darrinhart.hubpages.com/hub/gods-view-of-women-according-to-the-watchtower-bible-tract-society.
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" Let me commend you for addressing the fact that sisters have few marriage options."
Yes, this is obvious by the way I'm treated every time I visit the hall (which is only at the Memorial, every year). I bring my parents, but I do not bring my wife (or children) to the hall. She/they has/have no JW history prior to me, and find(s) the entire thing to be a freak show that she/they refuse(s) to have anything to do with. When I do take my parents to the Hall, the "sisters" are on me like flies on a fresh doberman steamer.
In my younger years, I was flattered by this treatment. Now, when it occurs, I am sad for the "sisters" who are so desperate for a man that they throw themselves at the first new guy they see in their hall.
Last year, I was told by one of them, "we'd really like to see you again at the Hall soon." My response, which was stated as I was about to drive away, was: "I'm looking forward to seeing you again soon as well, and can't wait to do that, next year, at about this time."
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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'
by Simon init seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.
it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.
do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.
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Malvinas,
It's your comment I took issue with, not theirs. You are no expert on Arizona law, but that didn't prevent you from making accusations of criminal misconduct against Cedars. Criticism is one thing, and I certainly agree that Cedars was deserving of criticism for his role in the debacle, but stooping to the level of making accusations of criminal conduct that could potentially have led to the commencement of a criminal investigation targetting Cedars, was far over the top. It wasn't enough for you to just criticize Cedars, you went the extra mile to try to get hm into legal trouble. In doing so, you helped only the WTBTS, and no one else.
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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'
by Simon init seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.
it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.
do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.
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As to that label... anti-activist. I do not consider myself one of those, but rather one who recognises the relative futility of the task at hand, not that many people have so openly declared that they are 'bringing down the WT', but rather that those who feel that sending the GB letters or making offers to meet them in an attempt for reform is not a realistic method. Videos and blogs are great and are certainly entertaining, but I question the effectiveness of these methods.
I guess this means that you do not consider Cedars to be an activist, because when the AAWA debacle hit the fan, I seem to recall you personally accusing Cedars of having committed a crime relating to alleged misrepresentations on the organizational documents of AAWA. At that time, I took exception to your comments because I believe that accusing opposers of the WTBTS of criminal conduct, especially when the alleged crime had absolutely no impact on anyone else, is helpful only to the WTBTS. I may not agree with all that Cedars says and/or does, but he is, in his own way, opposing the WTBTS, and for that reason, I would always refrain from posting comments that could potentially harm him. Accusing him of criminal conduct for issues relating to the organizational documents of AAWA was mean-spirited, vindictive, and entirely unprovoked, since you were not personally affected by anything that Cedars did.
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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses keep track of field service hours?
by Faithful Witness ini understand that they claim to have the responsibility to preach to every corner of the earth, so they can encourage armageddon to come quickly.
(matthew 24:14 "and this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
what rationale do they have, for keeping track of their hours and literature placements?
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They keep track of hours so that they can use this as a tool to push the rank and file to do more; more hours, more book studies, etc., because growth is necessary to maintain the cash flow of the WTBTS organization.
By keeping records, the organization has a quantifiable unit of measure with which to "crack the whip" on underperforming congregations. In my time, the CO would visit and was never happy with the performance of the congregation, in terms of hours of field service, books placed, etc. Guilt trips would promply be imposed by the CO on the entire congregation for not doing enough.
Although I was raised in this cult, I cannot understand why anyone would be stupid enough to believe anything they say. By the time I was in my early teens, I had already come to the understanding that theWTBTS is a cult. It always amazes me that there are those who are so blinded by faith that they can't see what is painfully obvious to anyone with a modicum of skepticism.
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this site sucks! its just a buncha athiest on soap boxes.
by crossquestions6995 inthis site is not a healthy forum for discussion or healing.
its an arena for jaded athiests to bash anything christian or god related.
yes, i know the jw's lied to us about god and the truth.
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<<<< I continue to be amazed by those who belonged to a ridiculous cult like JW's and now believe in NO Creator!>>>>
I'm even more amazed by those who were able to grasp the falsity of the "Truth," but didn't notice that all of man's religions are bogus.
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this site sucks! its just a buncha athiest on soap boxes.
by crossquestions6995 inthis site is not a healthy forum for discussion or healing.
its an arena for jaded athiests to bash anything christian or god related.
yes, i know the jw's lied to us about god and the truth.
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<<<< Reality is if im wrong then "oh well" and it shouldnt be any skin off your back.>>>>
You certainly are wrong, you're wrong for coming to this forum to insult the beliefs of others while trying to convert others to your limited-minded views.
Stop feeling sorry for us, and start feeling sorry for yourself, for not figuring out the realities of life.
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Why do we dress up for Meetings? - This weeks Cong Bible study
by KateWild inbecause the gb say so, and they are guided by hs.. anyother offers from the brochure?
kate xx.
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this site sucks! its just a buncha athiest on soap boxes.
by crossquestions6995 inthis site is not a healthy forum for discussion or healing.
its an arena for jaded athiests to bash anything christian or god related.
yes, i know the jw's lied to us about god and the truth.
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<<<< I have these discussions and debates in real life not online. >>>>
With all due respect, Crossquestions, you're full of armadillo excrement. Your effort to rewrite history is pathetic. I'll gladly support my comments with quotes from your posts:
From your original post: " If you want to be decieved and not be acountable to a creator... then fine."
Your statement quoted above strongly implies that if one does not believe in the nonsense that you believe in, they are "deceived." It would be nice if you could learn to spell "deceived" before using that word to disparage the beliefs of others.
You followed that post up with a post that is indicative of delusional thought:
"I also believe in respecting peoples beliefs and letting them find their own way." Denial is so unflattering, Crossquestions. You claim to "believe" in respecting other people's beliefs, but you don't practice what you purport to "believe in," as evidenced by your labeling of those who don't share your views as "deceived."
"But I cant stand when people attack other people and belittle them for what they believe (christian, atheist, new ager, etc)."
Of course, you can't stand it when others do this, but when you do it, it's ok, right? You label others who don't share your beliefs as "deceived," yet you lament it when others engage in the same conduct as you? Can you spell "H Y P O C R I T E?"
" I came here looking for both point of views from ex-jw's cuz there are valid points in both camps."
And now for the real truth, which you've demonstrated much difficulty with: You came here looking to convert folks to your own belief system, and when that failed, you want to attack the forum as being inhospitable to theists. The reality is, you failed to accompllish your objective of converting others to your faith, and now you are experiencing sour grapes.
Goodbye, Crossquestions!
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this site sucks! its just a buncha athiest on soap boxes.
by crossquestions6995 inthis site is not a healthy forum for discussion or healing.
its an arena for jaded athiests to bash anything christian or god related.
yes, i know the jw's lied to us about god and the truth.
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<<<< Atheism just doesnt have much to offer me in the relm of education. There is just too much evidence to the contrary. And if a premise is flawed from the get go, then how can it provide anything to build on?>>>>
Evidence to the contrary of atheism is evidence of the existence of a creator. Please provide some examples of the "too much evidence" you have to support your point.
I do agree with your point that if a premise is flawed from the get go, then its ability to provide a foundation to build on is questionable. That's exactly what I think of theism. It is flawed from the get go, and there is nothing to build on. A foundation of fiction does not support reasonable beliefs.