In paradise, won't we all be naked? Or will we tuck shirts into our loin cloths? Let's wait for food at the proper time on this matter. Be humble ya'll!
Silent_Scream
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Should Men Tuck In Their Shirts?
by minimus ini was reading an article about how men should not tuck in their shirts if the shirt is worn as casual wear.. i often wear suits with a black tee shirt, tucked in.
i have some great cabana style shirts that are always worn over the belt.
if i'm playing some sport, i would never tuck in a tee shirt.. i looked online after i read the article and it seems some are very firm on their position...... and while we're at it, should men wear a belt with jeans or with dress slacks?.
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My story...
by Silent_Scream init seems i pooped up out of nowhere.
i been following this site for a while.
couldn't resist it anymore..... was pretty much raised a jw.
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It seems i pooped up out of nowhere. I been following this site for a while. Couldn't resist it anymore....
Was pretty much raised a JW. I loved it!
Baptized over 10 years ago. One of the happiest days of my life!
Started pioneering a few years later. Loved pioneer school and the experiences of being a full time minister!
Shortly thereafter, appointed as a MS. I really enjoyed being trained and used.
Not to long after that, got accepted to bethel. Served there for three years until last year. I really cherish the memories and experiences.
I wanted to stay, but was told to go where Jah needed me, and right then, it was out in the field. All the bethelites were very encouraging, telling me "Jah is training me", and "Let Jehovah use me anyway he needs to". I accepted that. I missed it there...
Very soon after i left, I started thinking (uh-oh, not thinking!), how was this Jehovah's decision? Did the personnel committee put my information on the floor and pray over it? Was Urim and Thummim involved? Of course, answers are no and no. The decision was made by men. And then i thought, if the HS is directing these men, why are applications needed in the first place. Its decided solely on their catering to their own whim and authority.
But people kept saying still "Let Jah use you. Let Him tell you where to go. He knows best". But I knew the process. And I was sure Jehovah was not involved. It was men. Men sitting at desks deciding fate of many, based on apps, not HS. Then I started thinking some more, and more, and now i'm here on JWN.
I did believe that no matter what assigment Jehovah's org gave, Jah CAN and WILL bless it, but I just couldn't reconcile a decision making process by men with somehow Jehovah having a say in the result.
I do believe in God still, but I do not feel he is using this business entity (Watchtower). I expressed concerns, but was told to wait on Jehovah. But me, thinking again, wondered, if someone had the same questions in my mind 50 years ago and been waiting, they'd be old or dead right now waiting for nothing. I can't do it. I realize they (GB) are a bunch of men guilty of guesswork and exegesis. And bad at it. And I couldn't deal. And this was before doing any research online!
My point? I've never been df'd unfairly. Even from an early age, I observed many unsavory things, but not done to me. I have no excessively bad experiences like most here on JWN do. I have no resentment or bitterness that is deserved of those who had everything snatched from them from fakes. I have not had a peachy JW life by any means.
But I grew tired. Tired of not doing enough. Tired of being lied to. Tired of having my life and watching the lives of others thrown around with the literal movement of a pen and saying "It's Jehovah's will". Tired of countless nonsense, seeing it and told to wait, ignore, or just believe. I can't even begin to tell the stuff I have seen and heard. Its pitiful. (Then I read jwfacts) And i realized im more tired than i thought I was. Im still in so that I can help others see what this org really is. But I am done. But I do need help, and thats where JWN come in...
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WT: "Don't watch news items featuring witnesses!"
by cedars inhi everyone, yet another analysis of a recent watchtower i'm afraid.
this one's a little closer to home, as it concerns apostates.
yes - i'm referring to the forthcoming article "will you heed jehovah's clear warnings?
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It has been said "The way to control people is to control information." It's very true in the JW org. Thats why on Bible study sessions, people are usually excited to learn and see things in their Bible they've never seen before! So much information is held back. Unlike the Bible, which exposes David's and even the entire nation of Israel's sins, JW's hide theirs and try not to show true colors until a person is "strong" in the "truth". They are even reluctant to talk about "deep Bible truths"(aka nonsense) until a person is advanced, because certain beliefs are foolish stretches (like Apostle John prophesying about convention talks by Rutherford).
I remember giving a Bible student a WT Lib CD, and how the friends reacted. How the elders reacted! How much more so when I showed elders the changes WT Lib made over the hard copies, so these are the watered down articles anyway!
What's to hide? (We know of course), but the average JW who KNOWS this is the truth would still feel strongly against that. For what? How can a person searching for truth not be able to get the whole truth? Bible studies are simple fraud sessions to suck people in, and even strong JW's know that.
Bonus part is, Bible studies sets up parts like in an upcoming watchtower about listening to apostates. Instead of actually addressing anything frankly and honestly, AGAIN!, they instead skirt around issues and appeal to emotion with such phrases as "How did you feel when first learning the important truths of God's word?" Then they dismiss everything else as minor matters, and try to get feelings involved. Bible studies are to blame...
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by Silent_Scream init has been said "the way to control people is to control information.
" it's very true in the jw org.
thats why on bible study sessions, people are usually excited to learn and see things in their bible they've never seen before!
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I personally can't find a specific list, but i've seen it myself. They update words in books from "delaying" Jehovah's purpose to "affecting" it instead. Since mags are periodicals, it doesnt make sense to reprint any changes, but they have done so with WT Lib. Its usually not entire articles but they add words like "possibly", "may", or change a word or phrase that changes entire meanings.
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by Silent_Scream init has been said "the way to control people is to control information.
" it's very true in the jw org.
thats why on bible study sessions, people are usually excited to learn and see things in their bible they've never seen before!
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I apologize, this is the title... Bible studies are fraud sessions
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by Silent_Scream init has been said "the way to control people is to control information.
" it's very true in the jw org.
thats why on bible study sessions, people are usually excited to learn and see things in their bible they've never seen before!
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Silent_Scream
It has been said "The way to control people is to control information." It's very true in the JW org. Thats why on Bible study sessions, people are usually excited to learn and see things in their Bible they've never seen before! So much information is held back. Unlike the Bible, which exposes David's and even the entire nation of Israel's sins, JW's hide theirs and try not to show true colors until a person is "strong" in the "truth". They are even reluctant to talk about "deep Bible truths"(aka nonsense) until a person is advanced, because certain beliefs are foolish stretches (like Apostle John prophesying about convention talks by Rutherford).
I remember giving a Bible student a WT Lib CD, and how the friends reacted. How the elders reacted! How much more so when I showed elders the changes WT Lib made over the hard copies, so these are the watered down articles anyway!
What's to hide? (We know of course), but the average JW who KNOWS this is the truth would still feel strongly against that. For what? How can a person searching for truth not be able to get the whole truth? Bible studies are simple fraud sessions to suck people in, and even strong JW's know that.
Bonus part is, Bible studies sets up parts like in an upcoming watchtower about listening to apostates. Instead of actually addressing anything frankly and honestly, AGAIN!, they instead skirt around issues and appeal to emotion with such phrases as "How did you feel when first learning the important truths of God's word?" Then they dismiss everything else as minor matters, and try to get feelings involved. Bible studies are to blame...
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You will love this logic.
by Slidin Fast ini was thinking about one of the dc talks and the ridiculous twist.. the premise of the talk was that we should avoid being "babylonish", how?
by not being slack in "our" dress and grooming.
the logic?.
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They must've forgot where the vowels from the commonly used "Jehovah" came from... amongst many other things....
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Stephen Lett: "Pray for us to be faithful and discreet!"
by cedars inout of interest, i have just been scanning through the four latest available watchtower study articles (july thru october 2011) and in doing so i am reading them objectively for the first time.
i have been shocked, outraged and amazed by some of my findings.. as one example, take the article "a history-making meeting" from the august 15th watchtower, 2011. the article, beginning on page 18, discusses the 126th annual meeting of the watch tower bible and tract society, and begins with a summary of the opening talk by governing body member stephen lett.
it concludes the highlights of his talk in this way:.
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...and of course any possible convenient change that is made by the GB will make rank and file feel like their prayer contributed.
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Stephen Lett: "Pray for us to be faithful and discreet!"
by cedars inout of interest, i have just been scanning through the four latest available watchtower study articles (july thru october 2011) and in doing so i am reading them objectively for the first time.
i have been shocked, outraged and amazed by some of my findings.. as one example, take the article "a history-making meeting" from the august 15th watchtower, 2011. the article, beginning on page 18, discusses the 126th annual meeting of the watch tower bible and tract society, and begins with a summary of the opening talk by governing body member stephen lett.
it concludes the highlights of his talk in this way:.
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Points that annoyed me from last Sunday's WT...
by Silent_Scream inshepherd the flock of god.
peter encouraged the older men among the first-century christians to have a godly view of the flock entrusted to them.
(read 1 peter 5:1, 2.
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Shepherd the Flock of God
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Peter encouraged the older men among the first-century Christians to have a godly view of the flock entrusted to them. ( Read 1 Peter 5:1, 2. ) Althoughhewas considered a pillar in the congregation, Peter did not talk condescendingly to the elders. Rather, he admonished them as fellow elders. (Gal. 2:9) With a spirit like Peter’s, the Governing Body today exhorts congregation elders to strive to fulfill the heavy responsibility of shepherding God’s flock.
1) They "humbly" lower themselves to the same level as local elders, but they do so in a spirit like Peter's, one of the apostles. Mock humility?
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The apostle wrote that the older men were to ‘shepherd the flock of God in their care.’ It was most important for them to recognize that the flock belongs to Jehovah and Jesus Christ. The elders had to render an account about how they kept watch over God’s sheep. Suppose that a close friend of yours asked you to look after his children while he was away. Would you not take good care of them and feed them? If one child got sick, would you not make sure that he received any needed medical help? Similarly, the elders in the congregation are “to shepherd the congregation of God, which he pur chased with the blood of his own Son.” (Acts 20:28) They keep in mind that each sheep was bought with the precious blood of Christ Jesus. Being accountable, the elders feed, protect, and care for the flock.
2) Convenient how GB can always apply this to local elders, and remind them they are not "masters" over their brothers faith, but I have yet to see it in print where they apply it to themselves, and if they did, acted uopn it as though they understood it.
Para. 8 Likewise, elders direct the flock to the congregation, encouraging regular meeting attendance so that the flock can be well-fed and receive “their food at the proper time.” (Matt. 24:45)
3) This one sentence has too points I laughed at. One that first came to mind about "proper time" is that if we have a question about anything, we are told to wait on Jehovah. So if an obvious Bible truth comes as "new light" over some previous nonsense 6 years later, and thats a big "if", then how is that the proper time? What's their definition of "proper time"?9
When you are sick, what kind of doctor do you prefer? One who spends little time listening to you and then quickly prescribes medication so as to be free to see the next patient? Or would you rather consult a doctor who hears you out, explains what might be wrong with you, and outlines possible treatments? 4) ... Or don't kno you nor your circumstances but has counsel and an article ready for what your going through?Shun Dishonest Gain —Shepherd the Flock Eagerly
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Peter also encouraged elders to shepherd the flock, “neither for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly.” The work of the elders takes up a considerable amount of time, yet they do not expect any financial compensation. Peter saw the need to warn his fellow older men about the danger of shepherding the flock out of “love of dishonest gain.” That danger is evident in the life of luxury led by religious leaders of “Babylon the Great” while many people are forced to lead a life of poverty. (Rev. 18:2, 3) The elders today have good reason to be on guard against any tendency in that direction.
5) LOL! Too easy!
Not Lording It Over the Flock but Being Examples
17 As we have discussed, the elders should keep in mind that the flock they are shepherding is God’s, not their own. They are careful not ‘to lord it over those who are God’s inheritance.' ( Read 1 Peter 5:3. ) At times, Jesus’ apostles reached out with the wrong motive. Like those who were ruling the nations, they wanted to have a prominent position.- Read Mark 10:42-45.
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Today, brothers who are “reaching out for an office of overseer” dowell to examine themselves as to why they are reaching out. (1 Tim. 3:1) Those who are now elders may want to ask themselves franklywhether they have a desire for authority or prominence as some of the apostles did. If the apostles had difficulty in this area, then elders can appreciate that they need to work hard to avoid any worldly tendency to enjoy having authority over others.
6) They keep throwing me alley-oops! Local elders have the CO to answer to, and all the way up the ladder. But who can regulate on the GB? Other GB members? If the apostles needed Jesus to correct them, the APOSTLES!, as a group, could not also the entire GB do the same thing? NO! Only local elders. Back to point #1.
My first post. I apologize for the shoddy presentation.