Dont worry NC.
Tartarus is nowhere near as bad as I was led to believe.
No regrets;)
Posts by erbie
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46Odd question in July 15 2012 WT
by breakfast of champions inwhat if a powerful government were to hatch a plot to exterminate jehovah's witnesses as an organization?.
they ask this question at the bottom of page 23 of the july wt, and i thought the wording was kind of strange.
the target is not jws "the people" (as in nazi germany) but the org alone.
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The facts on crucifixion, stauros, and the "torture stake"
by Leolaia infinally, i will look at biblical and patristic evidence bearing on the crucifixion of jesus in particular.
we need to examine the earliest known descriptions of the kind of crucifixion adopted by the romans and the specific terms they used to refer to it.
apparently the society believes that crux still meant "stake" in the second century a.d., when tacitus composed his annals.
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erbie
Wow, thanks!
That's the most information on this subject that I've ever seen in one place-or indeed ever seen.
Thankyou for sharing it with us.
Do you think the WT$ would read it?
Or have it read to them perhaps!
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Odd question in July 15 2012 WT
by breakfast of champions inwhat if a powerful government were to hatch a plot to exterminate jehovah's witnesses as an organization?.
they ask this question at the bottom of page 23 of the july wt, and i thought the wording was kind of strange.
the target is not jws "the people" (as in nazi germany) but the org alone.
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erbie
Don't laugh.
I can see the horsemen of the apocalypse on the horizon. Even now they approach.
Why me first?
Bye folks:(
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Watchtower Dec 2011 Makes fun of fools who think the end is 2012. Ironic??
by Witness 007 inwachtower dec 1 2011 p.10 "french village faces influx of apocalypse believers...they believe the world will end 21 december 2012 when the end of....ancient maya calander...despite predictions by calamity-howling religious leaders, pseudoscientists, and any other prognosticators, earth will be in existence for a long time...when will this occur?
no human knows.
jehovah's witnesses do not try to predict when god will destroy the wicked...{really?
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erbie
They are obviously compulsive liars.
It never ends does it.
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Sleep Eludes Me ...
by compound complex insleep eludes me.
she plays coy, then retreats, laughing as she looks back at me.
i vacate my disheveled bed with less than quiet resignation.
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erbie
Hi Co Co.
No I didn't know that.
I'd choose FP any day. They used to show it on Ch 4 a lot. How I loved watching it!!!
By the way, I do enjoy your writings.
They add a nice creative element to our little forum here.
Don't stop!
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"Jesus did not die on the cross" (Gunnar Samuelsson)
by Titus in"jesus did not die on the cross" .
a new doctoral dissertation in theology from gothenburg university claims that the bible has been misinterpreted when it comes to how jesus died.
gunnar samuelsson who wrote the dissertation has studied the original texts and sees no explicit references to crucifiction.
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erbie
Hang on a minute. Don't jump the gun. This can be very misleading.
Firstly, yes victims were made to carry a torture stake (Stauros) to the place of execution. BUT, once at the place of execution, a cross beam was used to crucify the victim/prisoner.
We know that Crassus crucified thousands of slaves.
Why would the WT$ have us believe an exception would be made in the case of Jesus?
To avoid using a pagan symbol?
Of course the Romans used crosses, they were after all.......Pagans. And a cross is the obvious shape to nail a man to.
I think that Black Sheep has put it quite succinctly. Being impaled and being crucified are two completely different things.
Come on, we all know what's involved in being impaled right?
Right?
Just look at Black Sheeps picture.
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Sleep Eludes Me ...
by compound complex insleep eludes me.
she plays coy, then retreats, laughing as she looks back at me.
i vacate my disheveled bed with less than quiet resignation.
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erbie
Yes, I too love The Forbidden Planet.
What a great, but disquietly dark concept.
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Atheism or Agnosticism, which one is correct?
by Joey Jo-Jo inthis has been bugging me for a while, and while i dont want to turn this into something about semantics i think that we should quickly define what an agnostic and atheists are.. richard dawkins defines 7 different types of atheist ranging from weak to militant atheists, but along these definitions there appears one definition with a strong resemblance to agnosticism.. to me an agnostic is a person who neither believes nor disbelieves in deity/deities, but there are those who define agnostics as a ignorant who simply just don't care or don't have the intelligence to come to sound conclusion.. an atheist can be a person who disbelieves in a deity/deities based on the current mathematical and scientific understandings of the universe, as well as understandings that can refute certain religions such as the strong influence of protestantism christianity in america.. .
from here i will refer deity as anything ranging jehovah to a real spaghetti monster, it's not important because a) we dont know b)for the purpose of this discussion it is not important to define what we believe god to be.. an argument that can be used about a deity is -we cannot prove nor disprove that god exists- this is referred to as a null hypothesis, an assumption that we cannot create a hypothesis to prove or disprove this deity.
this to me is agnosticism and is more correct than the idea of atheism.
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erbie
Either or is perfectly acceptable but being an agnostic certainly makes a person sound more sophisticated!
Atheism is so last century!
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Threats from the JW mafia (subtle threats)
by thecrushed inmy dad recently found out i wasn't coming to meetings and going out in field service.
he found an excuse to get me alone in his car and just lit into me about it.
he said that if i'm not going out in service that i'm not one of jehovah's witnesses and the brothers won't be able to trust me when the time comes to go undercover due to being attacked by the authorities.
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erbie
Don't worry jo-jo. They'll soon throw you back out again.
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My son was murdered today
by truman ini have been on this site daily, almost from its beginning, since i left the jws in 2001, but i have been more of a reader than a poster, as you can see from my post count.
i know few here know me, although i know many of you through reading your posts.
maybe it is not right to ask for support, when i generally stay quietly in the background of this forum, but i want only to speak a human misery of the deepest kind.
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erbie
That's an awful tragedy. I'm genuinely sorry for you.
How terrible.