we had our special assembly day this weekend.. what the district overseer stated in his talk totally stunned me, and made me feel sick to my stomach.
he said, "christ is directing us through the governing body, and we cannot get holy spirit except through them!".
i do not wish to reveal all my thoughts on his statement, but i pray to god that it acts as a wake-up call to at least some of the audience.. suffice to say that the gb is now the mediator to our mediator, and from now on, i will have to pray for holy spirit through the name of the gb!!.
Firstly, what he said is blasphemy.
Also, by bible standards it is a declaration of apostasy.
Him speaking just that one sentence should be enough to make any honest hearted persons seriously question the motive behind it.
Thanks for sharing it with us
i was moved from the post of another user on this topic.like the film "there will be blood" that deals with passive aggression in religion i do now think that there will be an inevitable uprise against the lunatics of the governing body .too many of us wake up in a rate that has never been seen before because of the internet .what do you think ?
what shape will this uprise take ?.
cuba libre.
There Will be Blood -
What a great film for those of us who can relate to the religious aspect of it.
All that Church of the Third Revelation crap really reminded me of what I was taught as a kid.
We loaned it to my wife's father who is an elder and he said he didn't much like the film.
I thought, no, I bet you bloody didn't because it is too close to home for you to feel comfortable with it.
There is a heck of a lot of truth contained in that film.
And what superb acting!!!
Sorry I've deviated from your theme but I don't really know enough about the internal workings of the WT$ to be of any help.
i enjoy watching the questions time in parliament.
american cable companies pay for public affairs programming and we see it on cable.
i particularly liked tony blair.
Agree strongly with the above.
That despicable man Blair and his odious wife really did damage this great country more than all of its enemies combined.
After his failed attempt to sabotage this country he quit and basically said, "oh, by the way, I'm now a Catholic so you can all go to hell".
I can understand why people in the US like him so much. It is because he had his head so far up George W Bush's arse it was hard to tell where Bush ended and Blair began.
Its going to take David Cameron and the Conservative Government a long time indeed to undo the injury that man and his cronies did to this country.
He should be tried for war crimes and treason against his own country.
Principally because I love my country (as we all should) I hate the man.
I can't believe people would even consider voting Labour back in!!!
God help us if they do.
This is such a great nation and yet those people would have us crawling on our hands and knees at the mercy of the world.
He was only ever interested in lining his own pockets, which he successfully did.
Such a shame
after spending a lifetime in it, no one is as fed up with the wt as i am.
[my golf game would have been a hell of alot better if i was'nt banging my head against the wall on saturdays!
lol ] this forum has taught me alot more than i thought to confirm my suspicions.
Very good comments Christ Alone. You have said pretty much what I myself think.
The Watchtower prevents honest people from reading their bibles and finding truth because they have filled their heads with preconceptions about Christianity and its doctrines.
In a twisted way it is quite clever really.
Evil and twisted but clever.
after spending a lifetime in it, no one is as fed up with the wt as i am.
[my golf game would have been a hell of alot better if i was'nt banging my head against the wall on saturdays!
lol ] this forum has taught me alot more than i thought to confirm my suspicions.
It is interesting that you mention the trinity. Well, no it isn't specifically mentioned in the bible (as with so many other things) but it came about as it is the only solution to the identity of Jesus and God the Almighty. Jesus said many, many things that identified himself as deity. This, despite what you have been taught by the WT cannot be ignored. If you read the book of Revelation it becomes very obvious that Jesus and God are one and the same. This is what the bible says, not what I say. Let it speak for itself!
How can this be so when Jesus said that the Father was greater than he?
Well, at that particular time he was of course.
In short, what I am saying is, don't be put off or stumbled by all of the red herrings that the WT has churned out.
The Christian faith is not an easy thing to grasp when you have had your mind poisoned by the Watchtower (I should know) but try to give it the benefit of the doubt and look at it objectively and without predjudice.
I wish you the best.
good day everyone,.
i'm a born in jehovah's hostage, and am still a hostage until i can wake my family up (wishful thinking i know).
i'll formally introduce myself later.. for now i have some burning concerns about the service meeting part for the week of december 24, 2012.
That's a great quote from the Awake jw07.
I remember reading that and believing it.
Anyway, it is a comfort to know that the 'Website discussion' is still backfiring.
recently i have seen an increase number of former members trying to argue ttatt with jws on youtube, news articles, facebook and public forums.
for the most part, i do not see a lot of vicious or hostile debates when former members are trying to show ttatt, but i have seen some arguments and approaches turn out very ugly, to the point of many face palms.. i remember there were several instances that completely turned me off towards ttatt as a believer because "apostates" would be entirely reprehensible and would fit the bill of what the society termed "mentally diseased".
i cannot fault ones here who have gone on a similar rampage now that i understand how people lose everything and everyone they love.
Wow jgnat!
You just made me chuckle!
I guess its such a simple thing but you're not supposed to find the meetings boring are you.
A cardinal sin I would imagine.
But well done you for speaking your mind
recently i have seen an increase number of former members trying to argue ttatt with jws on youtube, news articles, facebook and public forums.
for the most part, i do not see a lot of vicious or hostile debates when former members are trying to show ttatt, but i have seen some arguments and approaches turn out very ugly, to the point of many face palms.. i remember there were several instances that completely turned me off towards ttatt as a believer because "apostates" would be entirely reprehensible and would fit the bill of what the society termed "mentally diseased".
i cannot fault ones here who have gone on a similar rampage now that i understand how people lose everything and everyone they love.
This is a valid point but I have also read posts on youtube by persons who are obviously still active JW's which were also quite aggressively written. I have to say that the person who wrote it came accross as being quite stupid. I'd like to think they were just naive but no, it was more than that.
As for 1975, well...actually, yes, it is still relevant because it is an intrinsic part of Watchtower history and as such is vital in assessing their credibility in their claim as being God's mouthpiece.
After all, does the Watchtower not keep harping on about the evils of the Catholic Church? Many of which are hundreds of years old!
And if history is not relevant then how are people to learn anything about anything and why study it in college or university???
Granted, if we act in a belligerant way then we surely do lend succor to the Watchtower predisposition regarding 'apostates' but righteous indignation is not wrong in itself.
I, for my part, will never dilute the truth about the Watchtower cult.
i have come here for any advice and support that anyone can give and i really need it now.
i don't talk about these issues with my siblings anymore because they have already told me that they have no advice and can't help.
feelings of anxiety have been overwhelming me the lat 2 years and it makes me feel like a scared little child.
Listen to the above LisaRose post and act on it as it is probably the best advice you can get.
Always occupy the moral high ground and you will make their evil more pronounced.
it's only a rumor.
but we all know that sometimes rumors become a reality.. supposedly the public watchtower and awake magazines will be combined together and the two shall become one.. i wonder if the present 16 page "rags" are becoming an embarrassment.
they truly are rags of the lowest quality..
Yes, lets not run ahead of 'god's' organization now!
Although, I do like the sound of the Awatchtower/Awaketower.
Concentrated verbal diarrhoea...
hmm...its a novel idea and I'm pretty sure nobody has done it before so it could be a success.
