Posts by erbie

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How many have read 'Crisis of Conscience'?

by tornapart in

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for me it was the book!

it opened my eyes.

i started it thinking it would just enlighten me about how the organisation works.

Stand For Pure Worship, what convinces you that the governing body is being used by Jehovah? Thanks.

by The Quiet One in

i struggled with this question before i got baptised.

what helped you to overcome any doubts?.

I own the book 'Life Everlasting in Freedom of The Sons of God' and I can tell you that it very, very definitely (that's definitely) points to the year 1975 as being the beginning of the New System of things and the thousand year rule of Christ.

I'm sorry, to say that it does not...well, I refuse to waste my precious time entertaining such stupidity. I apologize if that sounds offensive but I cannot account for the way JW's deliberately misunderstand their own history. Quite a clever tactic but also quite transparent.

Also, SFPW, in their earlier post, suggests that Mt 24 has a greater fulfilment for our generation.

Have we not discussed this word enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There you go again!

It didn't happen within the generation that is tied to that prophesy did it.

That generation passed away without seeing it's fulfilment didn't it.

No generation is 100 years long is it.

A lot of what you say about the WT I agree with but this denial of truth and fact that I also see in you is the principle reason I became inactive.

If you want to carry on as a Witness, accept the mistakes of the past, concentrate on what you like about your religion (because there is a lot to like) and move on but please, please do not try to convince people like me that black is white and white is black.

I know that this intellectual dishonesty is born of insecurity about WT history but in the end reason and common sense must prevail.

I wish you the very best and that is all I shall say on the matter.

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Proof of a Kingdom Hall being sold to a church!

by Sittingstraight1212 in

it cracks me up if you bring this subject up to a witness , they always try to convince themselves that i'm reading into this!!!.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpqwknq31ie&feature=youtube_gdata_player.

erbie

Its when they start selling them back to themselves that we need to start worrying...

Or not...

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Any proof that more JW's are leaving in greater numbers then before?

by Crazyguy in

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or is it just wishful thinking on our parts?.

erbie

Many of them have been JW's for so long it would be crushing and humiliating for them to give up now.

Even though I was a JW for just a few years people would still ask me, "how can you believe in it one minute and abandon it the next".

It is a valid question if you think about it and it did come from very astute people.

I was forced to give it a lot of thought and am left wondering if anyone really buys into it 100% or whether we just go along with it because it sounds so good and gives us a 'purpose' in life.

The subconscious mind is a complicated thing, that much I do know...

The GB certainly don't believe it because they are the ones with the steering wheel and are the ones who keep changing everything.

Indeed, how could they really believe in it?

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Getting Stuck on the Idea of Closure

by OnTheWayOut in

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i may be suffering twice for having left the jehovah's witnesses and watching my jw wife and other family members stay in.

once for the changed situation (or loss) and another time for expecting to make progress in getting over it.. the 1969 book on death and dying by elisabeth kubler-ross introduced us to the kubler-ross model , commonly referred to as the " five stages of grief.

" they are very helpful, but the original idea of the book and the hypothesis was that when a person is faced with the reality of impending death , he or she will experience a series of emotional stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.. it isn't always the case, but those stages are often felt by terminally ill patients.

erbie

Can be very difficult to move on but that's why we all come together here bro.

Here, we are all equals and we help each other out.

Even if it means just having a laugh and a joke

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Anticipating future changes in the organisation - crystal ball gazing

by yadda yadda 2 in

i posted the comment below on another thread on elders stepping down.

although i left the jw's years ago, i still hold a fascination for the evolution of the religion and am curious on what future trends and developments may occur.

so i thought i would start a thread on what future changes you think will occur in the organisation as the years go by, either doctrinally or organisationally:.

erbie

I predict a riot...

Viva!!!

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DECODED THE WT TODAY!!! SHOCKING!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

if you had the pleasure of hearing the watchtower today what a good way to cover their tracks right after the am!

so if their is any doubts they will scare it out of the rank and file!

i have to give it to them they did their best to plan this out along with all the new light i guess it was to trya and stop the internal bleeding.

erbie

You hit that nail bang on the head Terry

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Women are NOT allowed in the faithful & discreet slave class!!!

by bytheirworks in

if the "faithful & discreet slave" are no longer the 144,000 but only 8 men... isn't this a huge stepback for jw women's rights?.

erbie

Valid point...

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Jehovah in the New Testament (New NWT bible )

by jhine in

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i have just seen in the flesh , or paper , the new nwt .

my witness friends were delighted with it showing me all the new features like the glossary of terms and explanations of the hows and whys .

i did ask about actual content , acting daft not letting on that i knew anything about it .

erbie

Black sheep has it folks.

It is not our responsibility to prove them wrong, it is for them to prove themselves right and they themselves know that they can never do that.

Hence their relentless and defensive argumentation on the matter.

It matters so much to them because deep down they know that they are living a fairy tale lie with no substance to it.

The whole thing is a travesty.

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The GREEN-colored and the GREY-colored Bibles...

by Calebs Airplane in

green was, with the druids, a symbol of hope and the virtue of hope with a freemason illustrates the hope of immortality.

in all the ancient mysteries, this idea was carried out, and green symbolized the birth of a new world, the moral creation of the initiate.

hence the new world translation of the holy scriptures.. on the other hand, the color grey in high-ranking freemasonry is said to simbolize a 7-year period of tribulation and turmoil.. given the masonic origins of the watchtower bible & tract society, it's quite possible that the worldwide masonic powers to be have already set in motion the wheels of "tribulation" which started with the government shutdown in the us and will end with a zionist objective that we are yet to see 7 years from now..

erbie

Yeah, I think you're definitely bang on the money with this one Caleb.

That's it then, they've been rumbled