wow, i was just forwarded an email from a good friend of mine who recently moved away from where i live.
he was telling me that his mother sent this to him after he expressed concern about the pedophile issue.
he couldn't believe that she basically attacked him over this and that she defended the issue so strongly.
If anything your mother is an expert in this field, i have never told you about it. There is hardly ever a second witness to it. Unless the perpetrator is accused by others or admits it, how can you tell who tells the truth?
Boy does this ever say a mouthfull! That is the core issue. WT says there MUST be a second witness to sexual abuse, or all charges are dropped. She does not even see this double-talk of her's.
NewLight2
http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/02/05/17418642.shtml?element_id=17418642 .
here is her front page article, luv the kh sign in the background!!!.
ven
Grunt said:
Hello Hilda,
According to the Watchtower Society, Christ doesn't deal directly with you, but only through his "Channel" his "Brothers" the 144,000. All of your blessings will be "rendered" by them then applied to you. They will be blessed SO MUCH that it will overflow on you.
Hilda,
To Learn more about what is REALLY taught by the WT, please read the following links.
Jehovah's Witnesses - Who is Your "Mediator?"
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/mediator.html
The 144,000, the Great Crowd and the Millennium
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/crowd.html
NewLight2
the chicago sun-times in todays issue has decided that the jehovah's witness molestation story has merit and printed it.
the story is in the religion section page 32. the headline is "jehovah's witnesses face sex scandal.
" the story describes the tribulation of william bowen in kentucky who has tried his best to get to wts to clean up the congregation as to child molesters.
Minneapolis StarTribune:
http://www.startribune.com/stories/721/2828209.html
http://www.tennessean.com/local/archives/02/05/17418642.shtml?element_id=17418642 .
here is her front page article, luv the kh sign in the background!!!.
ven
HildaBingen says:
But my thoughts are based on what the Hebrew prophets and the Bible tells me. You may want me to go against my Christian conscience and God.
Hilda,
Then how can you blindly accept as true anything printed by an organization which delibertly mis-quotes source material and then HIDES the very information needed to verify those quotes?
Please see the following pages for further information.
The Dishonesty of the "Should You Believe in the Trinity?" Booklet (Part 1) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/booklet1.html
The Dishonesty of the "Should You Believe in the Trinity?" Booklet (Part 2) http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/booklet2.html
P.S. Frieda NEVER belonged to the Jehovah's Witnesses, so therefore is NOT an "Apostate" by Watchtower definition.
Frieda Landry's Home Page
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/
NewLight2
let me see if i got this right.. jduds sell literature for 85 years, and collect the profits tax-free.. billy graham (?
) and his cronies get their nuts in a vise over the same issue, and end up being the defendents in a tax evasion case.
(am i remembering the details?
Billy Graham (?) and his cronies get their nuts in a vise over
the same issue, and end up being the defendents in a tax evasion case. (Am I remembering the details? Somebody correct me.)
It was Jimmy Swaggart, not Billy Graham
See Links for mor info
http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20020411&Category=JWANDSOCIETY1&ArtNo=9999153&Ref=AR
after being reading this board i just wanted to express myself a little.
please excuse my english if it goes really bad ;).
i just wanted to share my experience with the jw.. i live in iceland.
Welcome to the board!
Just remember - you OWE the elders NO information. If they come calling, just pretend you are not home. If they find you outside, just say you have been very busy and that you don't have time to talk right now. Then just walk away. Silence is your best defence.
NewLight2
the story of zev.
who is zev : dec 5, 2001.
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=16913&site=3.
The Story of Zev
Who is Zev : Dec 5, 2001
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=16913&site=3
Part One - The early years.Feb 24, 2002:
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22299&site=3
an email to a friend
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22843&site=3
Part 2 - Feb 25, 2002 ***PART TWO***THE STORY CONTINUES***
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22347&site=3
***PART 3 ***THE JUDICIAL TRIBUNAL***
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22395&site=3
***PART 4***THE COMPANY MAN***
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22481&site=3
***PART 5***SEX, LIES, AND HARD DRIVES***
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=22550&site=3
***Part Six***The Long Long Road
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=23919&site=3
***PART 7 Things Happen, For a Reason***
- http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24118&site=3
Part 8 The Undiscovered Country
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=26175&site=3
can someone list the letters on each one of the 7 dice in the game "word yahtzee" for me?
the game is out of print now, so i can't just go out and buy a copy.. i've also been using all the search engines to no avail.
all i seem to come up with are the "game rules", which does not give a listing the 6 letters on each of the seven dice.. thanks,.
Hello to you, too, COMF
NewLight2
can someone list the letters on each one of the 7 dice in the game "word yahtzee" for me?
the game is out of print now, so i can't just go out and buy a copy.. i've also been using all the search engines to no avail.
all i seem to come up with are the "game rules", which does not give a listing the 6 letters on each of the seven dice.. thanks,.
I'm still looking for the answer to my original question. I can't find the answer on the net ANYWHERE!
Please - If you have the game, or know someone who has, please post the letters that are on each dice.
Thanks,
NewLight2
i just thought that i'd inform the board that they decided to come back after all.. right now i have to do something so i'll fill in the details later tonight.. the guy dident come back though.
it was only the lady and her daughter.. let me tell you, it was absolutely pointless.
except for one thing.. they were surprised about the un thing, but other than that nothing mattered.
Jerome,
Have you considered that maybe you ARE getting through to them, only they CAN'T let you know it. You see there is a REASON that JW's always work in pairs. They simply are afraid - because of the df/shunning thing - to let their partner KNOW how they really believe if it differs from what the WT puts into print. If one of them were to admit in front of their believing partner, that you DID have a valid point, that other JW would run to the elders and tattle. The end result would be that the doubting JW would get into a heap of trouble and may even be df'd. The price of agreeing with you is just too high. So both JW's continue to spout the party line.
That may be the reason that you have been able to converse with your girlfriend so sucessfully. She doesn't have any other JW's around to hear what she is thinking and saying to you. BUT if you were to hold the same conversations with your girlfriend while her parents were listening in, it may not go so well. She would feel that she HAD to also spout the party line in front of her JW parents.
I would suggest that you go VERY slowly when inter-reacting with her JW parents. It may be well to avoid the subject of religion altogether. Just try to impress her parents with your good morality and Bible based life-style. Let them get to know you as a person before you even THINK of trying to show them how wrong the WT is. Let THEM teach you about the JW faith, while you just "play dumb" for awhile. Ask only those types of questions that will force them to see the contradictions for themselves while doing research to answer your questions. Plant little seeds of doubt. Avoid the "big" topics. Ask about holidays, the cross vs the stake, the name Jehovah in the NT etc. You might mention to them that you just happen to have heard that when Russell was their leader, he thought that it was ok to celebrate Christmas. Ask them to find out for you WHEN celebrating Christmas first became a no-no. Ask them to show you some Scripture that forbids the celebrating of holidays. You could mention that the Jewish faith sure had lots of holidays to celebrate in the Bible. If it was ok then, why not now? Stuff like that.
The bottom line here is that if you are too honest with your girlfriends JW parents, it will force your girlfriend to choose between following her parents wishes or turning her back on her parents. She will probably choose to let you go rather then lose all of her family.
NewLight2
