Posts by NC1998

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For those of you who've watched the Witnesses documentary, let's suppose for a moment that...

for those of you who've watched the witnesses documentary, let's suppose for a moment that the org was forced to make their database of abusers available to the courts.

if this database is as detailed and meticulous as it is claimed, how in the world could the org (in its present form) survive that?

assuming they don't go bankrupt after all of the new abuse claims, would they go underground, shut down the kingdom halls, stop the preaching?

NC1998

There are SO many ways to hide money now. Imagine all the faithful that would jump at the chance to divert official funds to a safe place that they happen to live to hold for the body members. They could easily already have accounts under names nowhere near related to themselves in places no one could get to but them. This could have been done with cash through yet other names totally unrelated to the GovB or WT.

It's then just a matter of disappearing before things get too hot and living out the rest of their years with their own personal ministry straight from God to the locals explaining how they are modern day Antioch. They must survive to keep "the truth" going, so God has directed them to be wealthy fugitives.

It sounds crazy, but then everything they already say and do actually does.

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Those Who Can't get the OXYGEN Episodes

by Newly Enlightened in

someone has uploaded both episodes to google drive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l0ubvtriw6ytinnenmsmxpefotphconi/view.

NC1998

Guys, just use a torrent search engine. It's available. No need to post links.

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Special meeting next month (February 2020)

by Jofi_Wofo in

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it was announced today that we will have a special weekend meeting next month.

it will be 3 hours long and will include some streamed content.. no explanation was given as to what the meeting will be about, only that it will be exciting and we will not want to miss it..

NC1998

Maybe it'll be about how the end is so close, but we definitely need to spend tons of money on building a movie studio, so get over it and get to donating!

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The end is so close now....

by punkofnice in

aren't they tiring out from saying this now?.

a jobo pimi-lite i know has a terminal illness (no names, no pack drill), was told, 'hold on, the end is so close.

the pimi-lite said they will need to hold on to their 'go bags(tm), then!.

NC1998

May favorite part of it is the way they separate the near idea for the believers from the impossible to know even how near idea with God's POV teaching. And somehow that never connects as 2 impossible ideas.

Even if they could honestly say it is "near", there is by their own explanation from bible verses, no valid conversion to how god actually sees what near even is. Could be thousands of years by their own "logic".

It's fundamentally nuts.

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Middle class elders and pioneering children

by Steel in

i was looking at my hall the other day some of the upper elders who are retired now have had some pretty good jobs and lives of relative comfort.

i am not exactly sure what the education levels were but they were white collar.

most likely started in a world where you didn’t need a lot of education to get a head.

NC1998

They view their "past life" as a mistake that they now can just enjoy the benefits of and use their "unrighteous riches" to the benefit of the org. But they still, IF they are genuine, view it as a mistake.

It would be like if a Nazi official started a new life and was suddenly this compassionate giving person. Then his family started to grow up and of course he could never allow them to be Nazis. They would have to make sacrifices to avoid going down that bad path.

That's how the genuine delusionist thinks. It's not logic. It's rationalization to a point beyond all logical thought in a desperate attempt to make life make sense with their special knowledge they have found. So, no, they are not all evil from what I've experienced.

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Born-In Fading Out

by NC1998 in

i was raised in it.

there were questions, but the psychological abuse prevented me from ever really getting answers.

i am naturally a logical thinker in spite of my decades of indoctrination, and my brain just never could get passed things that were glaringly huge issues.

NC1998

Half banana, I really thought as much. I couldn't see me thinking logically being tolerated, so I had no intention of ever explaining anything except being up front with my wife. Doesn't look good so far, but cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. There's time.

Thanks.

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2019 Annual Meeting: more F.O.G.

by neat blue dog in

after the new construction project is announced, anthony morris the turd gives a talk where he arrogantly tells the audience to 'get over it' and get to work.

he says relaxing is fine and 'im not trying to put a guilt trip on you' but you all need to get busy.

no graciousness at all for the endless volunteer labor they demand for whatever new projects they dream up.

NC1998

That was sad. "Some" parts of the world were bummed in 1976, but the slave had the "correct" viewpoint of telling the followers to just work even back then. SOME of them were disappointed? Maybe some were not disappointed that didn't use their brains at all.

He did look like something was very off. Hands were shaking pretty badly at many times.

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Born-In Fading Out

by NC1998 in

i was raised in it.

there were questions, but the psychological abuse prevented me from ever really getting answers.

i am naturally a logical thinker in spite of my decades of indoctrination, and my brain just never could get passed things that were glaringly huge issues.

NC1998

Thanks, Biahi. I don't plan on meeting with them for any reason, ever. My thinking is if they want to find something wrong, anything I say will be viewed that way.

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Born-In Fading Out

by NC1998 in

i was raised in it.

there were questions, but the psychological abuse prevented me from ever really getting answers.

i am naturally a logical thinker in spite of my decades of indoctrination, and my brain just never could get passed things that were glaringly huge issues.

NC1998

Thanks everyone! My wife actually knows my position, and is being supportive, but she's still in denial.

She seems to think I can just tell the elders I don't want to go to meetings or out in service, and they won't seek to discipline me. I really doubt that. I'm sure total refusal to meet with them is the safest way to go, and I can't see me saying that I'm basically disassociating myself without using that specific word would end any other way than being booted. Am I thinking straight?

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Born-In Fading Out

by NC1998 in

i was raised in it.

there were questions, but the psychological abuse prevented me from ever really getting answers.

i am naturally a logical thinker in spite of my decades of indoctrination, and my brain just never could get passed things that were glaringly huge issues.

NC1998

I was raised in it. There were questions, but the psychological abuse prevented me from ever really getting answers. I am naturally a logical thinker in spite of my decades of indoctrination, and my brain just never could get passed things that were glaringly huge issues. Problem was I had too many mental issues to break through, but inside something was happening.

I wouldn't know how far I'd gone until I recently found the issues that were never reported on by JW.org (that I can find evidence of) that happened back in 2015 in Australia. Why hadn't they told us? They always jump on opps to show how Satan was attacking "us", so this really flipped a switch. I had to find out. And I watched the questioning of Jackson. And I read the full 130ish page document published by the Aus Royal Commission. The repeated lying and constant dodging Mr. Jackson did would have been enough that I would have walked away just from it alone. But then the details of how the decision to hide sexual abusers was based not on a desire to (however twisted it might have been) follow scriptural interpretation, but literally what they felt they could get away with based on legal technicalities. That just....I couldn't anymore.

So many things now I'm able to process in my head. Why is even looking at "apostate" info a threat to one's spiritual well-being if people are free to see anything when they are searching on their own for a religion and some still come to JW? That shouldn't be possible. Why the focus on hours reported? Why the lies stating "we" never petitioned men for money when they used to sell the literature? Why so many things that now make perfect sense. Because it's not about righteousness. It's just about control and validation of their hierarchy.

I know. This stuff is obvious to people here. But it helps to put it to words. Ignoring issues has been my life for decades. Now I'm free to think, and it feels amazing.