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  Without god what is the basis of morality?

  by OneEyedJoe in

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  i'm sure most here who've questioned or left behind their belief in god have encountered this question - without god, what basis can there be for morality?

  my exwife, when i admitted that i was an atheist, once asked me "if you don't believe in god, what's to stop you from going out and raping and murdering?

  " previously, whenever i got this objection, i would tend to turn it around on the other person with a response along the lines of "if fear of god is the only thing that stops you from murdering, that makes me rather nervous to be around you.

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  Aurelius was a Stoic.

  A cucumber is bitter. Throw it away. There are briars in the road. Turn aside from them. This is enough. Do not add, "And why were such things made in the world?"
  
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  Without god what is the basis of morality?

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm sure most here who've questioned or left behind their belief in god have encountered this question - without god, what basis can there be for morality?

  my exwife, when i admitted that i was an atheist, once asked me "if you don't believe in god, what's to stop you from going out and raping and murdering?

  " previously, whenever i got this objection, i would tend to turn it around on the other person with a response along the lines of "if fear of god is the only thing that stops you from murdering, that makes me rather nervous to be around you.

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  The god of the bible is in NO WAY a moral standard for anyone.
  He is the embodiment of evil.

  By the way, who invented the weapon that would slaughter millions and millions?
  

  So he drove the man out, and he posted at the east of the garden of Eʹden the cherubsf and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning continuously to guard the way to the tree of life.
  

  Thanks loving god, what would adam and eve have done without knowing about swords.
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  Climbing Out of The Box

  by Lost in the fog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been reading the blog of bruce gerencser, a 61 year old evangelical pastor who moved on to being an atheist and humanist.

  his description of climbing out of that box and the reasons why he did so will, i am sure, resonate with many of us on here.

  https://brucegerencser.net/2015/02/danger-box-makes-sense/.

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  You want a GREAT book along the same lines!
  I could have written this from a JW Elder who became an Athiest.

  https://www.amazon.com/Godless-Evangelical-Preacher-Americas-Atheists/dp/1569756775
  
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  Screwed up sexually

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking about how the borg screws up and sexually neuters their flock by telling them when single to "deaden their body" and then boom as soon as there's a ring on the finger to not be denying eachother.. do any of you know of jws who have been screwed up by these teachings?

  i know 2, 1 elder came back from honeymoon having a nervous breakdown unable to cope with the cd that sex produced in his head.

  and the other called up her parents while on honeymoon, crying and begging for themto come and get her, since she was so shocked that sex hurt.

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  I have to say that it was a big issue for our marriage. The guilt that is piled on normal human activity. Nothing the WT touches is left without scars and sadness.
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  Without god what is the basis of morality?

  by OneEyedJoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm sure most here who've questioned or left behind their belief in god have encountered this question - without god, what basis can there be for morality?

  my exwife, when i admitted that i was an atheist, once asked me "if you don't believe in god, what's to stop you from going out and raping and murdering?

  " previously, whenever i got this objection, i would tend to turn it around on the other person with a response along the lines of "if fear of god is the only thing that stops you from murdering, that makes me rather nervous to be around you.

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  Gods Morality included:
  Genocide, Rape, Burning people, Polygamy, Stealing, Slavery...

  So whats so moral about god?
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  Anybody here still believe in the bible?

  by Mel Morris in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm a current bible student of jw's looking to chat with someone about biblical doctrine.

  i'm not interested in talking with an apostate or a fader, i'm just a person looking for answers and wondered if there are any neutral voices in this forum who have good insights into the bible.

  i currently talk with a couple of jw's on a personal level from my congregation and they are knowledgeable to a certain extent, but i dare not ask them certain questions because, as you know, the congregation has a culture of fear that impacts trust and openness, especially concerning biblical doctrine or the societies teachings.

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  No - and I am soooooo embarrassed I ever did believe it. :(
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  A Gem From The May Study WT "Know Your Enemy"

  by JW_Rogue in

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  2. beliefs

  in fact, only three books of the hebrew scriptures, 1 chronicles, job, and zechariah, mention satan, which means “resister.” why was little said about our enemy prior to the arrival of the messiah?.

  3 apparently, jehovah did not want to give satan undue prominence by devoting large portions of the hebrew scriptures to discussing him and his activity.

  jehovah’s primary purpose for inspiring that section of the scriptures was to identify the messiah and lead god’s people to him.. .

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  Oh, by the way, it's not like as if Satan is mentioned like 1000 times every meeting.

  No god didn't want to give him any prominence:)
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  A Gem From The May Study WT "Know Your Enemy"

  by JW_Rogue in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in fact, only three books of the hebrew scriptures, 1 chronicles, job, and zechariah, mention satan, which means “resister.” why was little said about our enemy prior to the arrival of the messiah?.

  3 apparently, jehovah did not want to give satan undue prominence by devoting large portions of the hebrew scriptures to discussing him and his activity.

  jehovah’s primary purpose for inspiring that section of the scriptures was to identify the messiah and lead god’s people to him.. .

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  Well, really all that needed to be said about Satan was said by the great Jehober himself in Genesis.

  Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever,
  

  Here the great Jehober lets us all know that Satan did NOT lie to Eve, and the plan the creator of all things needed a Plan-B asap cuz he F-ed up. :)
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  Please explain the meaning of this wt 2018/10 article

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  a very strange article, suggestive.. what do you think about it?.

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2018/1918-one-hundred-years-ago/.

  g..

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  I am surprised they keep reminding people that over 100 years have passed and nothing has happened.
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  new JW Online Bible Study Lessons

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anybody seen the new online bible study yet, just posted yesterday i believe?

  it's the first thing you see now when going to the home page.

  the online bible study lessons on jw.org are free, have no obligation, and are easy to use.

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  They are about 5 years behind the Mormon Website.