Its also funny in that I guess the average JW cant understand pretty simple examples without STUPID illustrations.
I.E. Bread, or 2 pencils (to understand overlapping), or a big chart - again to help understand the complex idea of 2 things overlapping.
Next maybe Elmo and Big Bird can help us understand really complex things like 607 :)
does anyone have any information on jwleaks.org?
it is still down.
does anyone have any contact with them?.
does anyone have any information on jwleaks.org?
it is still down.
does anyone have any contact with them?.
Does anyone have any information on JWLEAKS.org? It is still down. Does anyone have any contact with them?
so... bro flodin puts poison onto the first loaf of bread and says that this pictures someone "sinning against the holy spirit".
he then puts the bread into the trash can stating that jehovah completely discards anyone "sinning against the holy spirit"... meaning they cannot ever be forgiven...he says that the pharisees "sinned against the holy spirit" because they denied indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit displayed by jesus... therefore jehovah would completely discard them... no way back for them.. fast forward a little... we have the bible character stephen...acts 6:8 says: now stephen, full of divine favor and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.so stephen was showing indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit.now we come to the bible character paul (saul)... he was a pharisee.paul would have seen stephen in action... witnessing the indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit first hand!yet paul not only waged war against all christians but he personally approved the killing (stoning) of stephen.according to the bread illustration paul should have been discarded by jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit"... he would have been put in the trash can... no way back at all...but what happened according to the bible?
jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus... he became one of the most zealous apostles in bible history with jehovah's full support!so what on earth is the bread illustration all about?
MORE CONTRADICTIONS TO REALITY - Since I was an elder for a long time - i know one of the things he said was COMPLETE BS. When he talked about if you sin seriously but are repentant - god forgives and its like it NEVER happened.
The BS in that is that at any elders meeting with wrong doing and especial with Judicial meetings - if a person has a history (i.e. a young person had sex repents, and then does it again) it is ALWAYS remembered - and the whole "This person has a PATTERN of sin - and this person is WICKED and not weak" is ALWAYS brought up. NOT FORGOTTEN!! And thats cuz how Elders are trained.
at about the 37th minute of this month's broadcast brother loaf of bread says that grieving the holy spirit includes "using deceitful words" isn't that what brother jackson did over and over during the rc testimony he gave?
did he not lie and obfuscate when he said things like "it's not my field"?
this org- strike that - cult is disgusting!
so... bro flodin puts poison onto the first loaf of bread and says that this pictures someone "sinning against the holy spirit".
he then puts the bread into the trash can stating that jehovah completely discards anyone "sinning against the holy spirit"... meaning they cannot ever be forgiven...he says that the pharisees "sinned against the holy spirit" because they denied indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit displayed by jesus... therefore jehovah would completely discard them... no way back for them.. fast forward a little... we have the bible character stephen...acts 6:8 says: now stephen, full of divine favor and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.so stephen was showing indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit.now we come to the bible character paul (saul)... he was a pharisee.paul would have seen stephen in action... witnessing the indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit first hand!yet paul not only waged war against all christians but he personally approved the killing (stoning) of stephen.according to the bread illustration paul should have been discarded by jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit"... he would have been put in the trash can... no way back at all...but what happened according to the bible?
jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus... he became one of the most zealous apostles in bible history with jehovah's full support!so what on earth is the bread illustration all about?
Talk about contradiction?
At about the 37th minute of this month's Broadcast Brother Loaf of Bread says that Grieving the Holy Spirit includes"using deceitful words"
Isn't that what Brother Jackson did over and over during the RC testimony he gave? Did he not lie and obfuscate when he said things like "It's Not My Field"as just one example.
the question as to what believing in this entity called god entails is a fairly important question that needs to be answered first.
to me, the key difference between a universe in which god exists versus one where god doesn't lies in the idea of teleology.
in my view, a universe with god entails some sort of process towards an end, an end which can be characterized with words such as bliss and unity and others.
warning of a long boring post ahead.
i feel like i need to vent my story out, as i feel quite helpless at the moment.. i'm 31 year old, married, father of toddler with another one on the way, due later this month.
i've been serving as elder for about 4 years now in a south florida congregation.
Many of us have been there man.
One thing.
Elders are still in process of sending my details to CO and branch, awaiting their approval for my resignation.
That's just paper work and now the CO is the one who gets notified. There is no approval, its not like they can say - no you have to be an elder. They are not making you do any elders duties still are they?
at about the 37th minute of this month's broadcast brother loaf of bread says that grieving the holy spirit includes "using deceitful words" isn't that what brother jackson did over and over during the rc testimony he gave?
did he not lie and obfuscate when he said things like "it's not my field"?
this org- strike that - cult is disgusting!
They count on everyone not knowing anything that is going on in the world, and also having instant amnesia.
Long gone are the days when I thought that they are not doing all this well knowing their dirty deeds.
at about the 37th minute of this month's broadcast brother loaf of bread says that grieving the holy spirit includes "using deceitful words" isn't that what brother jackson did over and over during the rc testimony he gave?
did he not lie and obfuscate when he said things like "it's not my field"?
this org- strike that - cult is disgusting!
