Likewise, the ones who are in Bethel are classified as 'fulltime' ministers, whether or not they actually go in preaching field service or not, yet they are required to spend some time in the actual ministry anyway. I personally observed Brother Poetzinger in the service once back in the '70's. He and his wife were doing street witnessing in Brooklyn.
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Transparency in Field Service Hours
by Earnest ini notice that in the recent instructions for new regular pioneers (2020-08-s-236-e) it lists a number of assignments for which a pioneer can be credited (up to 75) hours in a month.. these include:construction oversight, assembly hall oversight, assembly oversight, and convention oversight, as well as serving as temporary volunteers at bethel, commuter bethelites, remote volunteers, bethel consultants, hospital liaison committee members, patient visitation group members, disaster relief committee members, local design/construction department field representatives and maintenance trainers, and so forth.
approved assignments also include assisting with kingdom hall construction when such is done at the request of the branch office or its representatives overseeing the project, assisting with pre and post-assembly or convention work, assisting with work at assembly halls, conducting or participating in congregation meetings held in prison, as well as attendance at a theocratic school or class .
when i was pioneering and doing pre and post-assembly work i was told i could include the time spent working in my monthly report, which i did.
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Demons and the Witnesses
by corpusdei inok, this one is a little long, but i think it's worth reading.
in putting this together, i came across a fair amount of interesting information about the witnesses and their belief in demons.
there's a lot that i'll be interested to put to the next witness i come acoss (if any of them still quite dare to talk to me after last time.
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dropoffyourkeylee
Also relevant is that there was a craze in the 1920's about seances and contacting the dead. Lots of people believed in it. The WT came out against it and labeled it demonism even then.
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JW.org Focus on the Past - Have Always Wondered?
by JWTom injust curious of others thoughts.....while watching the latest round of convention videos with my pimi wife it was highlighted again in the content how much the wt org.
has always focused on the past (in my opinion).
many of the historical events that are highlighted as significant are from 100+ years ago in some cases.
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dropoffyourkeylee
When I was growing up ('70's) there was almost an intentional ignoring of much of the past, they certainly didn't glorify it like they do now. Russell, for instance, was virtually never mentioned in the literature. Names of most of the leaders, whether Governing Body members, or previous Board of Directors, were not known by many. At that time there were still quite a number of former Bible Students around, they would picket assemblies etc (the original 'evil slave' class), and I think there was a feeling at the top that they wanted to distance themselves from the previous Bible Student movements. The big green history book was a bit of a shock to many, who had never heard of a lot of things in it. I think that book was prepared in direct response to Franz's book 'In Search of Christian Freedom'.
Nowadays it is very different. They are riffing off the doctored history they have created. They even have museums at the various bethel sites for people to go and goo goo over the WT glorified history.
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Indonesian--2020 Elder Manual--Addendum--and August S-147-E!
by Atlantis in2020-04 indonesian--shepherd the flock of god elder manual, flock book addendum, and the 2020-august-s-147-e announcements and reminders.. .
reply below if you want me to send a link to your pm box.. .
petra!.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I am admittedly quite a bit behind on WT news, but the JWs were under ban in Indonesia for decades. Is that no longer the case?
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JW Tchotckes _ How Nauseating Are They?
by Room 215 inknorr, franz, henschel et al must be spinning in their graves....https://www.jwstuff.org/.
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If they had a cross & crown lapel pin I just might buy one
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Unbelievable Freddie Franz Admissions
by Vanderhoven7 inunbelievable admissions.. freddie confesses he fell for his own propaganda.. https://youtu.be/fkjw-r9oitk.
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I remember hearing him speak. That's definitely him. He spoke without notes, and he had a kind of rambling way of speaking, though it was interesting and easy to listen to.
There is a little ambiguity on the statements about his <maybe> offer of Rhodes scholarship and to Oxford. It sounds to me like he applied for the scholarship and later withdrew his application. Maybe just that process meant that he was automatically accepted to Oxford (with or without the scholarship), but it isn't really clear to me.
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Galaxies and 49000 years
by HowTheBibleWasCreated innow today this is of course a non-issue.
the wt has embraced the big bang/old earth etc just not evolution.
in fact the creator book has some decent info.. however i have a good copy of the 1958 paradise book.
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Russell taught the 7000 year creative day belief, maybe it made sense in the 1800's. Most likely he didn't invent it himself, but picked it up from the literature of the time period.
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AUSTRALIA | 23 July 2020 - Jehovah’s Witnesses Kingdom Hall bomber found guilty by Supreme Court
by jwleaks inleonard warwick has been found guilty for a number of bombings committed during the 1980’s, including the family court bombing and the jehovah’s witnesses casula congregation kingdom hall bombing on 21 july 1985 which killed the public speaker, graham wykes, and injured 13 others.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-23/leonard-warwick-family-court-bomber-found-guilty/12483286.
side note: i have been closely following this story for 35 years now, including the past few years of supreme court hearings, much of which dealt with the jehovah’s witnesses kingdom hall bombing..
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dropoffyourkeylee
First I've heard of it. Why on earth would it take over 30 years?
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Your worst convention experience.
by zeb inby a split second rescuing our handicapped son from being pushed down the stairs by a flood of sisters rushing out to see as the drama had started.. the main offender being a special pioneer..
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dropoffyourkeylee
Worst for me were the terrible seats in the unbearable heat. No shade and hours at a time getting baked with no relief. On the flip side, at one convention it was terribly cold, this was in San Francisco, and the sessions at that time (early '70's) would go until about 9:00 p.m. The fog coming in off the bay was chilling cold.
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Lillian Gobitas Klose, the Jehovahs Witness who refused in 1935 to salute the American flag in Minersville, Pa. started a trail that ultimately changed American legal history died Aug. 22 at age 90
by Sol Reform inlillian gobitas klose, the jehovahs witness who refused in 1935 to salute the american flag in minersville, pa. started a trail that ultimately changed american legal history died aug. 22 at age 90. only three years after it had ruled against the gobitas family, the supreme court voted 6-3 to overturn that decision in a case involving a family of jehovahs witnesses from west virginia.. regardless of what one might think of jehovahs witnesses, lillian gobitas is an example of a person whose willingness to fight for her beliefs has expanded everyones personal freedoms.. http://republicanherald.com/news/minersville-girl-made-legal-history-1.1744279.
lillian gobitas klose, 90; test of faith went to u.s. supreme courtlillian gobitas klose sign the guest book.
atlanta news obituarieslillian gobitas klose, 90; test of faith went to u.s. supreme courtby elizabeth montgomery the atlanta journal-constitution.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I have just become aware of a 2011 interview of Lillian Gobitas Klose on youtube. Here is a link to an abbreviated version of it: