Posts by dropoffyourkeylee

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Have you ever thought about this statistic?

by psyco in

forgetting for a moment the past, let us imagine that now we are about 8,000,000,000 people in the world and jws are about 8,000,000.8,000,000 / 8,000,000,000 = 0.1%.this means that satan can mislead 99.9% (100 - 0.1) of the people in the world.after 1,000 years, when humankind will be perfect again, since "the number of these is as the sand of the sea" (revelation 20:8), once again a huge amount of perfect people will get misled by satan.if the reason for this big number was because of the imperfection, that means adam and eve's fault, not so many "perfect" people should get misled by satan in the future paradise.so, could you think that 99.9% of the perfect angels are demons misled by satan?

if not, why is satan able or allowed to mislead so many more (imperfect and) perfect humans than angels?another question is: if god "does not desire anyone to be destroyed" (2 peter 3:9), why does he allow satan to be able to mislead 99.9% of people since he knows in advance that "many, i tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able" (luke 13:24), and "the number of these is as the sand of the sea" (revelation 20:8), and "go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it" (matthew 7:13, 14)?

should not it be the other way around as a logical statistic?

dropoffyourkeylee

I remember making a comment in the WT (when the worldwide report was the subject of discussion) to the effect that of the five most populated countries in the world, four were virtually untouched by the WT. It went over like a lead balloon.

In order of population China, India, US, Indonesia, Pakistan. Of these, only the US has a significant representation of JWs, but the five countries together represent about 45% of the world population. At the time I made the comment, China and Indonesia were under ban and didn't appear in the report, at least explicitly by name. Looking at the 2021 report, China is still absent but the other four countries are listed. India, Indonesia, and Pakistan together are showing around 86,000 JWs, compared to the US with 1,256,000. Since China is not listed, I don't know how many JWs are there but it must be less than the 212,000 shown for '33 other lands'.

There are a number of reasons for this that come to mind. One is the effectiveness or lack therof of the Christian missionaries in the preceding centures (1600's-1800's), which laid the foundation for the JWs. Related to this is the prevalence of non-Christian faiths. India, Indonesia, and Pakistan have been remarkably resistant to Western missionaries, including JWs. Government action in the 1900's in China and Indonesia has been significant in keeping the JWs out.

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What's the deal with Cheese and Apple Danishes at conventions.

by pistolpete in

this was before my time, but there was this post that had 308 comments testifying that the best thing of being a jehovah witness back in the day was the convention's meals.

is this true?.

one quote out of 308;.

dropoffyourkeylee

The assembly food disappeared about the same time the donation-for-literature started (1990 in the US). I reckon the taking of money for food fell into the same legal issue.

I was always surprised they never had (to my knowledge) a food poisoning event. Large church gatherings have always been susceptible to food quality issues.

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Interesting fossil find in Australia

by wozza in

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a 95million year old fossil of a new species of crocodile found with a dinosaur in it.s stomach found story here,,,.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-12/broken-dinosaur-killer-croc-ate-dinosaur-for-last-meal/100823384?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link.

well the wts has been lying to the world .because they say no aniimal ate meat before the fairy story flood ,.

dropoffyourkeylee

I always thought of a crocodile being a bit like a dinosaur itself. The surprising thing is that the croc is so little changed over all the millennia.

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Elder signs off in talk

by neat blue dog in

how in the world was he allowed to completely finish without being ushered off the stage??.

https://youtu.be/tkyujamfziq.

dropoffyourkeylee

Awesome! I find it curious that in a short 22 minutes, he hit on three things I hold dear.

The HG Wells short story about the blind, I read that and remember talking about it with my mom. I had forgotten who wrote it ( I would have guessed Bradbury) but it was a memorable story.

I desire mercy and not sacrifice. One of my favorite quotations.

My yoke is kindly and my load is light. Also one of my favorites.

Bravo, I hope this brother is still doing well.

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Biblical Anachronisms in JW Literature

by neat blue dog in

in a recent post ffghost made a comment about how they're always inserting modern concepts into biblical narratives to make it relatable to jw's organization.

here are some that come to mind:.

- the capitalized term "governing body" when referring to the older men in jerusalem (really just another group of christians that paul outspokenly disagreed with and didn't look to for approval).

dropoffyourkeylee

Just thought of another one, though the JWs might not be the source of it.

In Revelation, the explanation of 666 being the 'imperfect' number of 6 repeated three times is anachronistic. The Greek text represents the number in three distinct words for 'six hundred', 'sixty', and 'six'. This reflects the way arithmetic was done in the Roman days. None of the first/second century readers of Revelation would have thought of the number six hundred sixty six in terms of the numeral 6 repeated three times.

The arabic numeral system of using the placement to represent the order of base 10 (ie the first digit to the right is the 1's, the second digit to the right is the 10's, etc, was invented well after the time of Christ. This invention was a great leap forward in making computations easier which we take for granted, but before that it was pretty difficult to do basic math.

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Snakes walked on legs till the Eden curse Watchtower belief till 1974!!

by Witness 007 in

watchtower 1964 page 352 "....before god cursed it the snake had legs that elevated it off the ground.

god transformed its body so that it ceased to have legs and could move on its belly.".

book "gods eternal purpose"1974 - "god did not put a curse on the whole serpent family...it had only been victimised by satan...".

dropoffyourkeylee

I think it fair to say that the JWs got the snakes-with-legs belief from the general religious beliefs in the 1800's, which Creationists still believe.

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Japan closed 638 Congregations why??

by Witness 007 in

japan had huge publisher growth till the year 1998.. 1998 - 222,912 publishers 3802 congregations.. 6 years passed.. 2004 - 217,555 publishers (-5,357) 3,164 congs.

what was the reason?

"this generation of 1914" failed doctrine or the internet..

dropoffyourkeylee

A quick look at the population figures, for 1998-2021, approximately with rounding of numbers

Population -0.8%

JW publishers -2.4%

JW congregations -16.8%

Apparently the population of Japan peaked about 2009-2010 and has been declining ever since. The JW decline is outpacing the general population decline

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Biblical Anachronisms in JW Literature

by neat blue dog in

in a recent post ffghost made a comment about how they're always inserting modern concepts into biblical narratives to make it relatable to jw's organization.

here are some that come to mind:.

- the capitalized term "governing body" when referring to the older men in jerusalem (really just another group of christians that paul outspokenly disagreed with and didn't look to for approval).

dropoffyourkeylee

Showing Jesus and the apostles as white men. Of course the WT is not the only religion guilty of this.

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Biblical Anachronisms in JW Literature

by neat blue dog in

in a recent post ffghost made a comment about how they're always inserting modern concepts into biblical narratives to make it relatable to jw's organization.

here are some that come to mind:.

- the capitalized term "governing body" when referring to the older men in jerusalem (really just another group of christians that paul outspokenly disagreed with and didn't look to for approval).

dropoffyourkeylee

Showing groups of first Century Christians in which reading from a codex or scroll was common. This implies a few things which are anachronistic. That the majority of people were literate (most were not) and that possession of a scroll or codex was common (being copied by hand, they were quite expensive and out of reach of most of the populace)

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Anthony Morris Mormon background, does anyone here have any more information?

by raymond frantz in

do you have any information on tony's family history and mormon background?.

dropoffyourkeylee

I seem to remember that one of the GB members had a Mormon background, but for the life of me I cannot remember who it was. It was discussed on this board at the time. I don't know if it was Morris or not.