Posts by dropoffyourkeylee

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Request--Ministerial Claims Form--and- Book Study Conductor Files!

by Atlantis in

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atlantis, would you happen to have the: counsel on ministerial claims by jehovah's witnesses, which includes the: memorandum of information concerning book study conductor?

******************************************atlantis, yes, it is all in the pegasus and i think all that stuff went back to the 1950's for the selective service or the draft, to prove jw's were ministers and so forth.

it was published to help jw's receive their iv-d classification for minister of divinity, there are certificates and id cards in there too.a lot of old-timers here will remember all that crap.

dropoffyourkeylee

Thanks, I had never seen the document 'Counsel On Ministerial Claims'. Reading it, I find it supports a conclusion I reached some years ago that many of the elements of JW religion were invented in the '40s and '50s to support the IV-D classification attempts. Their mostly failed attempts in WW1 and WW2 were a disaster. In the WW1 era, their stance landed the JW leaders in jail. In the WW2 era, very few JWs succeeded in obtaining the classification, most served jail time. Post WW2, the WT outright invented and fabricated things like:

Pioneer status: Required keeping time records at 100 hours a month preaching to support the claim that preaching is the applicant's occupation

Ministry School: This was invented to support the claim that the applicant has training and studied the Bible thoroughly. Books like 'Qualified to be Ministers' (the title gives away its true purpose). The All Scripture is Inspired book was a text book of the Ministry school (at least that is one JW book that had some merit). The Ministry school had graded tests for many years, again for the purpose of making it like an actual school to support the IV-D claims. The current Ministry School curriculum wouldn't have passed the test.

Baptisim is 'ordination' - The claim that all JWs are ordained ministers because the 'baptism' is the ordination ceremony.

Missionary Status: To be a missionary, one needs missionary training. Voila, the Gilead School is invented.

All of these things were totally invented and pulled out of the air for one purpose; to provide documentation to support the claims for IV-D minister classification.

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What is is your favorite REDICULOUS JW falsehood? :)

by Balaamsass2 in

i get a few good laughs from the ex-jw facebook site: " ex jw humor will set you free".. i was laughing over dinner with 3rd gen over this post tonight: "question for the audience: i was driving around today and it hit me...there are big falsehoods (armageddon etc.

) that we were told, but also ridiculous falsehoods.

what is your favorite ridiculous falsehoods?

dropoffyourkeylee

Humans have only existed for 6000 years

A worldwide flood happened 4000 years ago

Somehow kangaroos were on the ark and hopped all the way to Australia after the flood

The mountains were pushed up during the great flood

All JWs are ministers

Elders are loving shepherds

You don't need a college education, just learn a trade and you'll be happier

No need for retirement planning, the end will come before you reach retirement age

I could go on much longer, but I'll stop there

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A fun moment

by Vidiot in

my wife of many years is more-or-less pomo, but she still (nominally) believes in jehovah and the bible.. she raised her eyebrows when she realized the full scope of the csa problem… rolled her eyes when letto the clown called babies “little enemies of god”… but today, we apparently crossed a real threshold….

…her response to the governing body being referred to as “our future kings” was….

…“what????!!!!!”.

dropoffyourkeylee

The 'future kings' statement was a bit of a shock to me. I have to believe that even the diehard JWs would find it offensive as well.

Really he should have said 'future kings and priests'; that would have really raised the eyebrows.

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Need help identifying a book

by oncebitten in

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friends

hello all.. i could use some help identifying the title of a wt book that i read back in the early 90's.

it was an older book when i read it.

i wish that i could recall more than i do.

dropoffyourkeylee

One major insight I got from the Divine Purpose book was that a major effort by the organization was to solve the military service problem. They just had to have a way to establish with the courts that a JW service-age man was a 'minister' and qualified for the ministry exemption. Post WW2, they made a number of changes to support this effort:

Changed 'all religion is bad' to 'true religion and false religion', due to criticism that to be a minister one has to be a member of a religion.

Introduced the Ministry School, at first entirely for men (because of the draft) to answer criticism that JWs had no training to be ministers. The textbook was 'Qualified to be Ministers', the 1950's edition even had a list of JWs by name who they identified as ministers.

Gilead school created to provide an answer that their ministers sent overseas had theological education equivalent to other religions' schools.

'Pioneer' status invented, replaced the culporter, which was argued to be simply a salesman. Pioneers had strict rules about counting and reporting hours in ministry.

All these changes described in the book were initiated entirely in the context of supporting their stance against the draft. The court win in the 1954 Walsh case (Scotland) was touted in the book as a victory.

'Our Kingdom Ministry' introduced to support the fiction that the Ministry School had a curriculum

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Need help identifying a book

by oncebitten in

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friends

hello all.. i could use some help identifying the title of a wt book that i read back in the early 90's.

it was an older book when i read it.

i wish that i could recall more than i do.

dropoffyourkeylee

Most likely the Divine Purpose book, as already stated. It has some use now in giving the modern reader insight into the mindset of the JW apologists of the 1950’s. It was their first elaborate attempt at rewriting the JW history, while distancing themselves from the ‘evil slave’ of the time period, ie the Bible Student groups.

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Can you identify this?

by vienne in

okay all you history buffs, compulsive researchers and simply curious: can you identify the location and date of this photo?.

https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2024/05/district-assembly-itentify.html.

dropoffyourkeylee

l suggest it looks like a race track in the US. Kind of familiar looking, we attended a race track assembly in LA in the seventies. One such racetrack is the Santa Anita (photo below) the terrain definitely looks similar

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Help to find brothers in Dubai

by victorflorez85 in

hi brothers/sisters my name is victor, recently in move to dubai for job reasons, during the last 3 weeks i have been trying to find a congregation or brothers to contact with them because i would like to go the meetings and continue my personal study, but i hasn't success.. if anybody here have some contact in the united arab emirates or know somebody that have it, i will appreciate a lot that can help me to contact with them.. thank you!.

dropoffyourkeylee

good luck finding a JW in Muslim countries

Ditto. JWs are under severe restrictions, even if not exactly under ban, in Muslim countries. There is likely not an open meeting to attend. In particular JWs, (I believe this applies to all non-Muslim religions) are not allowed to proselytize, only preach to other non-Muslims with the intent to convert.

A few years ago I was shocked to learn that JW need-greaters were going into Morocco under assumed names, with no support from any JW branch. They were out there totally on their own, taking such risk. Really a bad idea.

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The org. Came out with a Christmas song!!!!

by nowwhat? in

holy nativity batman!

on jw broadcasting.

final song for this year's convention.

dropoffyourkeylee

The wife just sang along on zoom with the new Christmas song at the end of the midweek meeting. OMG, wow. A complete 180.

To top it all off, in Catholicism the month of May is The month of Mary, today is May first. Just wow

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Out of the Mouths of Vampires

by peacefulpete in

one of the most quoted and loved passages of the bible has an unexpected textual history.

at matt 21:16 jesus is made to say:.

have you never read, ‘from the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself’?”.