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  Congregation rebels!

  by A.proclaimer in

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  2. friends

  my congregation got a reminder today to start donating money.

  elder said that after the letter on the new donation arrangement was read, the contributions for that fund went from the average (i believe it was $500 or so) to $0.

  after that reminder, cash was put into those boxes.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  We are all having fun ripping the WT Society for money grubbing, but it is not much different than what they have been doing the last 20 years, and in some ways better.

  Before: WT's RBC says a Kingdom Hall needs upgrades (maybe it does, maybe it doesn't). The work is done by unpaid volunteers, with donated funds. The local congregation takes on a big monthly payment for years to 'pay' for it. The WT uses this as an income stream, in fact it is probably their biggest single source of income, at least in the developed countries. It was really a scam and in some ways a deception.

  Now: It is all donations (maybe not exactly freely given, as there is some implied pressure). At least they are not hiding the income stream making people think they are paying for the renovations.

  I still have a suspicion that there is a legal reason for what they are doing which hasn't come out yet.
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  Why has the watchtower never written a commentary on the Greek scriptures?

  by kneehighmiah in

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  they have writes hundreds of other repetitive books, but no bible commentary.

  is it because an actually commentary would destroy their doctrine and prevent them from being able to cherry pick scriptures?.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I'm pretty sure Ray Franz wrote in one his books that Ed Dunlap had written the Commentary on James. Also about the same time (late 70's) it was rather common to see a Barnes' Notes on the shelves at Witness homes and and Bethel, then after the 1980 debacle the Society came out against commentaries. I would rather read any commentary than any of the WT books. There are some good ones out there.
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  2014 summer conventions to have live video and audio feeds

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have heard from reliable source that this summer's conventions will feature video of various gb members as they speak and announce releases.

  the regional (as opposed to the international conventions) will have numerous video monitors all around.

  anyone else heard about this?.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I think they are just trying to mix things up to stir interest. The assemblies are so boring I can't imagine why anyone would want to go. It is curious, though, to watch the emphasis change about the prominence of GB members. Back in the day, the president was seen as a bit of a figurehead, even thru the Fred Franz years. But then the post-Franz GB deliberately took a stance in the background, not prominent at all. In that time you hardly knew their names. Now they are back in the limelight, and are just as deliberately making themselves like rock stars for the Witnesses.
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  2014 summer conventions to have live video and audio feeds

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have heard from reliable source that this summer's conventions will feature video of various gb members as they speak and announce releases.

  the regional (as opposed to the international conventions) will have numerous video monitors all around.

  anyone else heard about this?.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Wow, old news. I just heard about it. Guess i'm not in the right chariot.

  The fellow I was talking to was in the video dept. just the logistics of putting in 32-inch screens all over the place in a rented facility is going to be a nightmare. Plus a huge expense.. There will be several backup systems in case the networks go down. The whole set up sounds pretty complicated to me.
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  2014 summer conventions to have live video and audio feeds

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have heard from reliable source that this summer's conventions will feature video of various gb members as they speak and announce releases.

  the regional (as opposed to the international conventions) will have numerous video monitors all around.

  anyone else heard about this?.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I have heard from reliable source that this summer's conventions will feature video of various GB members as they speak and announce releases. The regional (as opposed to the international conventions) will have numerous video monitors all around. Anyone else heard about this?
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  C.T. Russel IS burried UNDER the pyramid

  by FFtruther144 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  russel is burried under the pyramid.

  according to none other than frederick franz himself, in his own words!.

  i read some wt trolls on here trying to say that he is under the marker a few feet away.. that is not true.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  It is funny how the ZWT 1895 quote about the Masonic order from an earlier post:

  ...so far as we can judge, there is a certain amount of worship or mummery connected with the rites of this order and some others which the members do not comprehend, but which, in many cases, serves to satisfy the cravings of the natural mind for worship, and thus hinders it from seeking the worship of god in spirit and truth – through Christ, the only appointed Mediator and Grand Master. In proportion as such societies consume valuable time in foolish, senseless rites and ceremonies, and in substitution the worship of their officers, and the use of words and symbols that have no meaning to them, for the Worship of God, in the appointed way – through Christ, and according to knowledge and the spirit of a sound mind 0 in that proportion these societies are grievous evils, regardless of the financial gains or losses connected with membership in them. -zwt June 1895.

  is very near to how I would describe the WT Society today.
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  Anonymous Donation - Not!

  by why144000 in

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  my mother in law (in her 80's) just told me that she had the elders around to pick up her 'donation' pledge.

  it was 'suggested that $20 a month was the average amount pledged but she could pledge more or less.

  so, rather than an anonymous amount they have a signed document stating the amount of her pledge.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Sorry, I am a little late coming to the discussion. Is the 'pledge' for worldwide work only, or for local needs, or for both? Is there still a box marked specifically for world wide work?
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  Kidnaper of 3 Cleveland women - his mom a JW

  by Gayle in

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  2. current

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/castro-brothers-spend-night-jail-article-1.1338131#ixzz2sjzrxozd.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Followup:

  Michelle Knight's book came out this week and she says that the only religions that Castro ever talked about were Pentecostal and Catholic. So it seems unlikely that there was a direct connection with the JWs, except for the mother.
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  C.T. Russel IS burried UNDER the pyramid

  by FFtruther144 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  russel is burried under the pyramid.

  according to none other than frederick franz himself, in his own words!.

  i read some wt trolls on here trying to say that he is under the marker a few feet away.. that is not true.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I just listened to the recording. It's unbelievable how loony he sounds, really bizarre that we used to sit and think he was a good speaker. I didn't hear him give this one, but I heard him a number of times and can verify that it is FW Franz's voice. I would guess the time of the recording as the mid 60's.
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  Additional BOE Letter: Please Be Advised that Further Direction Will Soon be Sent to the Bodies of Elders...

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear brothers:.

  we are writing as a follow-up to the letters dated january 24, 2014, and march 29, 2014,. to all congregations regarding the adjustments now underway to accelerate construction of king-.

  dom halls and assembly halls.. .

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Another part of this story is the elimination of a special donation box marked for "Kingdom Hall Construction". Until now the local KH (midwest US) had 4 separate donation boxes.

  World Wide work

  Local congregation

  KH building fund

  SW Ohio Assembly hall fund

  Now there are only two, the WWW and Local boxes.

  They have been sending 300-400 dollars every month to the SW Ohio Assembly hall fund after going though the 'pledge' process a couple of years ago. Now the box is gone and the money is gone too! No accountability. just gone.