Posts by dropoffyourkeylee

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Remembering Rutherford

by Sea Breeze in

he seems to me to be the angriest and most ill-tempered of all the wt presidents, especially after his stint in prison and failed prophecies.. “regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he [rutherford] once confessed to us at bethel, “i made an ass of myself.”” watchtower 1984 oct 1 p.24.

rutherford died at beth sarim on january 8, 1942, at the age of 72.

[220] cause of death was...carcinoma of the rectum..."[21] .

dropoffyourkeylee

Concerning the current WT cemetery at Wallkill, the burials are accessible online:

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2403939/memorial-search?page=1#sr-86507218

Rutherford is not listed there, I don't think this graveyard existed in the '40's. The oldest burial I see is AH MacMillan in '66. Curiously, there are entries for a number of people who haven't died yet, maybe they have gravestones there in advance for some reason. Hmmm.

There have been threads on this site before about Rutherford's burial. If I remember correctly, they wanted to bury him at Beth Shan or Beth Sarim, but the zoning authorities wouldn't allow it. Where he ended up I don't know, but other websites suggest the WT had a cemetery on Staten Island where he was buried.

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Remembering Rutherford

by Sea Breeze in

he seems to me to be the angriest and most ill-tempered of all the wt presidents, especially after his stint in prison and failed prophecies.. “regarding his misguided statements as to what we could expect in 1925, he [rutherford] once confessed to us at bethel, “i made an ass of myself.”” watchtower 1984 oct 1 p.24.

rutherford died at beth sarim on january 8, 1942, at the age of 72.

[220] cause of death was...carcinoma of the rectum..."[21] .

dropoffyourkeylee

At one time in my life I thought I would someday write a book about the Rutherford years, and started collecting literature (WT and non-WT) of the time period. I came to believe/theorize that a lot of Rutherford's books can only be understood in the context of the time and knowing what he was trying to accomplish. Much of it had to do with the ongoing battle for the loyalty of the Bible Students, when as many as 75% left the WT for other groups of Bible Students. For one instance of many, the WT rejected Christmas in about 1925. Why? Because it was a time with family members, some with WT loyalty and others who had left, would get together and associate. He wanted to break that association to retain the WT adherents. They rejected the cross in the '20s. Why? Because the cross figured prominently in the Bible Students (the cross and crown pin, Cross on the old WT), and he wanted to distance his WT from them.

In time I kind of lost interest in the subject and dropped the project.

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I have a tee shirt idea

by mickbobcat in

i have an idea for a jw tee shirt.

jehovah's witnesses redefining words since 1914.

dropoffyourkeylee

1975 Survivor

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It looks like the WATCHTOWER—STUDY EDITION (SIMPLIFIED)'s last issue was December 2018

by Disillusioned JW in

i looks like the last issue of the "watchtower—study edition (simplified)" (at least in english) was the december 2018 issue - see https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/?contentlanguagefilter=en&pubfilter=ws&yearfilter= .

did anyone else notice that?.

dropoffyourkeylee

I think they announced that at the time. I guess the regular study edition was so dumbed down anyway they couldn't simplify it any further.

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Newly discovered Dead Sea Scrolls with the tetragrammaton within the Greek text

by dropoffyourkeylee in

big news from israel, some previously undiscovered dead sea scrolls have been found with portions of the ot in greek.

it says the name of god is included in hebrew letters within the greek text.. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/world/middleeast/dead-sea-scrolls.html.

"the new fragments contain verses from zechariah 8:16-17, including part of the name of god written in ancient hebrew, and verses from nahum 1:5-6, both from the biblical book of the twelve minor prophets.".

dropoffyourkeylee

Update:

For any who are interested and follow stories like this, The latest BAR (Biblical Archaeology Review) Summer 2021, contains a story and a couple photographs covering this story.

"New Scrolls from the Judean Desert", p17.

The scrolls are the first scrolls discovered in the Judean desert through official excavation in about 60 years, and include parchment fragments of Zechariah and Nahum dating to 2nd Century CE. They are in Greek, with the YHWH tetragrammaton included as four Hebrew characters. The takeaway from the BAR article that I did not pick up on in the first reports was that the Hebrew characters used are 'Old Hebrew' (Paleo-Hebrew), which differs quite a bit in appearance from the Hebrew characters we are used to seeing. The Old Hebrew characters were used in the pre-Exilic period, so for these characters to be used in a 2nd Century CE manuscript is interesting.

The BAR also has a lengthy article (pp 48-55) discussing the Old Hebrew characters, though this article doesn't directly mention the newly discovered scrolls.

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Completing the Scan of All WT Publications - Bibles List

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

i am working with paul grundy from jwfacts and with the administrator of avoidjw.org, and they are ok with me doing the work that i am doing right now, which is to try and complete, as much as possible, the availability of everything the wt has ever published, in pdf format.therefore, i will start listing in this thread what i have not been able to find anywhere online.

please let me know where i can find the pdf's for the following:(now, i know that there are multiple versions of these and that there are some that seem the same but they are not.

i am looking for the wt published versions of these publications.

dropoffyourkeylee

I don't recall this thread from four years ago, so I am reading through it the first time. First, I have a copy of the 1950 first edition of the NWT Greek Scriptures and it indeed has 'the' in the verse at Matt 24:45, as dsp demonstrated. If there was some limited edition with 'a' in that verse, I haven't seen one. I doubt it even existed in print. I think Losch was simply mistaken, or at most was referring to some pre-publication draft that he may have access to.

What I think this thread discussion is missing is that at the time of translation, the main 'enemy' of the WT were the Bible Student groups (the 'evil slave class') who believed that Pastor Russell was 'that Servant'. This was a big issue from the '20s into the '60s, and there was a lot of bantering back in forth between the writers of the WT and the writers of the various Bible Students. I used to have some of Paul S L Johnson's books, and you wouldn't believe how many pages he devoted to this inane subject.

The WT belief they espoused at the time (1950) was that the 'faithful and discreet slave' was not an individual, certainly not Russell, but rather was the faithful and discreet slave 'class', which they interpreted as entire body of anointed, all of them. The application of this verse to the Governing Body only, and not to all anointed, is a relatively recent change in doctrine.

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GOTCHA!

by JTrottigy in

so i noticed one of the members here came to my jwtalk website, where i am an important administrator, and tried to join my site.. i check in here every so often and i was able to deduce that person was an apostate fraud, likely bent on polluting my site.

i denied their request to join.. ha!

gotcha!

dropoffyourkeylee

I call BS

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The Queen's Gambit (2020) One of the most enjoyable miniseries I've seen in awhile

by TD in

the queen's gambit is a 7 episode netflix miniseries about a female chess prodigy in the 1950's and 60's.. the story chronicles the life of the fictitious character, elizabeth harmon (anja taylor-joy) from the time she learns the game as an orphan clear up to the point where she defeats russian grand master, vasily borgov (marcin dorociński) to become the world champion.. female grandmasters are a rarity, so i was afraid the series was going to morph into an anti-male screed.

(it easily could have).

nearly every male character in the series, from the gruff but kindly william shaibel, the custodian at the orphanage who taught her the basics of the game and fronted her the money for her first tournament to vasily borgov himself is gracious and clearly delighted to play against a woman so talented in a sport dominated by men.. two notable exceptions were her pos adopted father who didn't care about her or his wife and a russian player who got a little salty when she kicked his butt in 21 moves.

dropoffyourkeylee

There has been a lot of discussion, writing, and opinions over the years as to why the majority of top chess players are men. There are some notable exceptions, of course, but the disparity remains.

My own observation is that reaching the top levels of chess takes more than simply intelligence, but requires hours and hours of study and practice in addition. Some say as much as 10,000 hours of study and practice to reach grandmaster level, much of it during the formative pre-age 20 years. Girls for some reason tend to lose interest in the game about then, at least from what I have seen.

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Vince gill high on that mountain

by road to nowhere in

if you saw any of the 2021 show on pbs.

a touching and beautiful song.

i thought i had a link copied, but not.

dropoffyourkeylee

Always one of my favorites.

I especially like this recording he did on the Grand Old Opry with Allison Krauss and Ricky Skaggs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwFiWCUkk4M

Incidentally, I read somewhere that his exwife is a JW.

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The Queen's Gambit (2020) One of the most enjoyable miniseries I've seen in awhile

by TD in

the queen's gambit is a 7 episode netflix miniseries about a female chess prodigy in the 1950's and 60's.. the story chronicles the life of the fictitious character, elizabeth harmon (anja taylor-joy) from the time she learns the game as an orphan clear up to the point where she defeats russian grand master, vasily borgov (marcin dorociński) to become the world champion.. female grandmasters are a rarity, so i was afraid the series was going to morph into an anti-male screed.

(it easily could have).

nearly every male character in the series, from the gruff but kindly william shaibel, the custodian at the orphanage who taught her the basics of the game and fronted her the money for her first tournament to vasily borgov himself is gracious and clearly delighted to play against a woman so talented in a sport dominated by men.. two notable exceptions were her pos adopted father who didn't care about her or his wife and a russian player who got a little salty when she kicked his butt in 21 moves.

dropoffyourkeylee

I am an avid chessplayer (see my avatar)! very average in skill, but I surely love it.