There used to be a saying that JWs come to town with the 10 commandments and a 10 dollar bill, and they don’t break either one.
dropoffyourkeylee
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Lots of empty seats at Jehovah's Witnesses Convention in Tucson, Arizona
by RULES & REGULATIONS inhttps://youtu.be/5926nhzyz90.
the jehovah's witness 2023 convention theme is, ''exercise patience''...by looking at the attendance at this tucson, arizona convention, it should be changed to, '' jehovah's witnesses...running out of patience''.
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Tried unwitnessing at LDS carts today
by joe134cd ini was walking through a market today, and spotted lds cart witnessing.
so i thought, what the hell, i’ll give him a go.
i focused on the character of joe smith.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I wasn't aware of any cart work by Mormons, though I am not surprised. A door to door approach is becoming more and more ineffective, whether in a religious context or other type of salesperson. I can't remember the last time I had any type of sales person at the door. Fuller brush, Encyclopedia, Bible sales, anything. It just doesn't happen anymore.
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La préhistoire des témoins de Jéhovah
by vienne inhttps://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/07/la-prehistoire-des-temoins-de-jehovah.html.
a short review of professor blandre's new book about russell's antecedents.
it is in french.
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dropoffyourkeylee
Some years ago (about 25-30) there was a WT writer who contributed quite a few articles to the WT. It was obviously a French sourced author (always quoted French sources). At the time I thought they were well written and almost something I could believe in. Then they kind of stopped very suddenly. Any chance this was the same person?
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I would add to Journeyman’s list the withdrawal of the Tuesday Group Book Study.
Astute comment. In a broader sense, the changes to the format of all or most of the meetings is a big part of the religion's change in the last 15 years. Ministry School, Service meeting, shorter public talk, all of them added together makes the typical meeting quite different
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Lots of empty seats at Jehovah's Witnesses Convention in Tucson, Arizona
by RULES & REGULATIONS inhttps://youtu.be/5926nhzyz90.
the jehovah's witness 2023 convention theme is, ''exercise patience''...by looking at the attendance at this tucson, arizona convention, it should be changed to, '' jehovah's witnesses...running out of patience''.
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dropoffyourkeylee
People tend to vote with their feet
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Lots of empty seats at Jehovah's Witnesses Convention in Tucson, Arizona
by RULES & REGULATIONS inhttps://youtu.be/5926nhzyz90.
the jehovah's witness 2023 convention theme is, ''exercise patience''...by looking at the attendance at this tucson, arizona convention, it should be changed to, '' jehovah's witnesses...running out of patience''.
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dropoffyourkeylee
Convention here (US) I attended Friday only and there was a similar scene with a lot of empty seats. Admittedly, Friday morning is typically the lowest attendance, and it did fill out a bit more in the afternoon.
Based on anecdotes, I think it is clear that the convention planners' formula for how many congregations to assign to a particular facility is falling short. Between the high cost of travel/lodging and the aging JW demographic, it is evident quite a lot are staying at home and (probably) watching the recorded online sessions.
Baptism ratio of # of baptisms / # in attendance is a good measure, as both figures can be verified or estimated by observers, and compared with previous years' conventions. Some of the 1970's' conventions had a ratio in the 2% range; nowadays it is running about 0.5% most of the time.
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Supreme Court Decision on Free Speech this week
by dropoffyourkeylee inthis week's first amendment case has a slant that may sound familiar to jws.
most are aware that the wt won a number of supreme court decisions in the '40s related to free speech (the first amendment of the us constitution).
in particular, the flag salute case in '39, which they lost, tried to argue that not saluting the flag was a religious issue.
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dropoffyourkeylee
This week's first amendment case has a slant that may sound familiar to JWs. Most are aware that the WT won a number of Supreme court decisions in the '40s related to free speech (the First Amendment of the US Constitution). In particular, the flag salute case in '39, which they lost, tried to argue that not saluting the flag was a religious issue. Then it was taken to the court again, with a different attorney and new argument that it was a matter of Free Speech to refuse to make a gesture to salute the flag). The JWs won the rematch case in '43 on grounds of free speech.
This week's case (one of many videos here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVF9YxPLmo)
was about a web designer who refused to create a website for a LGBTQ couple based on his differing beliefs. The couple claimed discrimination based on Public Accomodation laws and the underlying 1964 Civil Rights Act. The web designer and his attorney claimed it was his right of free speech to not create a website to say something he did not believe in.
Sounds to me like the web designer's attorney took a page right out of the JW playbook.
Not saying I agree or disagree with the court decision, but I thought it worth a mention on this site.
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Are Elders Following Instructions from The Shepherding Book?
by Atlantis inhow safe is personal information when elders do not follow their instructions?.
from spain.
announcementjune 23, 2023for elders1.
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dropoffyourkeylee
The WT generally has a shocking disregard for privacy of personal information. GDPR aside, even in countries not subject to GDPR, they seem to have no regard for privacy.
Local congregation here (midwest US) asked for contact name and phone number of someone outside the area who might know our whereabouts if we were out of contact for some reason. Of course I refused; you would have thought I was some kind of apostate or something.
LOL
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Regional Convention Attendance
by XBEHERE inelder friend of mine texted me asking what my rc attendance was 2 weeks ago (family and i streamed it since wife is not well).
he told me that his rc in the jersey city assembly hall last weekend was low.
co told them that around 2600 were the total from 16+ congs that were assigned.
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dropoffyourkeylee
Based on my own observation last Friday (I attended one day at a convention in midwest US), the attendance was down about 15-20% from what we used to see at the same location in previous years. Admittedly Friday usually has the lowest attendance of the three days, but usually the attendance the first day was about 5500 in this location, but Friday it was 4500 and 4600 in the two attendance counts made for morning and afternoon.
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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dropoffyourkeylee
Here's a thought. Suppose Morris has need of expensive medical care. The self-insured WT doesn't want to take on the cost. Morris (unique among GB members) has vet benefits available to him based on his military service. So he leaves bethel to get his medical care through the VA.
Purely speculation on my part.