Posts by luckynedpepper

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2020’s are already a Train Wreck for JW ORG

by Reservations in

as the title says, we are nearly at the end of the 2nd year of the 2020’s, and already jw org is not only a car crash, but an absolute train wreck.. i’ve watched the annual meeting 2021 already, and it seems the gb are in fighting, morris openly disagreeing with lett, that is massive, and it’s something that has largely not been commented on by this community.

covid-19 is not going anywhere, any trial meetings will surely be shut down, now omicron is doing the rounds.. it looks highly likely we will see a second negative growth year.

“young ones” are waking up by the masses.

luckynedpepper

2 centenarian + partakers, older than "Frederick the great" Franz (quoting D. Splane), overlapping by 20 years each. . 201- (2x20) =161 + 1914 = 2075, plenty of time to age whiskey, and raise a glass to the centennial.

I don't think it comes down to two centenarians. You must make plans, take action before then to keep all the fish on the line. I believe by 2030 we have a revision of 1914/Generation to extend the timeline further, irrespective of "2075"

I've posted my math here before:

Franz died at 99 in 1992. Kenneth Cook graduated HS in 1980 (17 years old) That makes him 29 at Franz death. That makes him 59 today. By early 2030s he's 70. He is much closer to death and we are very far from 2075. They will be forced to re-examine their "prophecy"

(Your math may be rough for conversation only, but you cant just subtract 20 year overlap. They need to be annointed AND overlap. The likelihood that a 20yo is anointed is low. In my example with Cook, you'll note the intervening 12 years between baptism and Franz death.)

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AM III speech at anual meeting 2021

by Gorb in

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just downloaded and watched the am iii speech about expetations about the end.. all i think it is ment to temper the high expetations that the rank and file have build up because of the pandemic.. most jw think that the big end will come now.. gb must be anticipating the anti climax that will come.. it is a very rare speech, i can say, and am iii was in a realistic mood, the audience was laughing and he was thinking "you are idiots", so it seems to me.. g..

luckynedpepper

I wonder, is AMIII is actually unaware of the 1969 Awake! that said youngsters would not finish college. Or is he entirely cynical in putting those words into the mouth of misguided JWs? I wonder what he’d say if someone pointed out that Awake! to him.

Plausible deniability; He wasnt baptized until 1972, i think- according to his WT bio.

That in no way means he doesn't / shouldn't know that article. He's in a leadership position afterall. And, i know that article. I had my parents quote it to me repeatedly (early to mid-80s)

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I have come to the conclusion that a lot of JWs don't care if the end is near.

by mickbobcat in

i was in the cult for years about 40. fourth gen born in cult member or for me ex cult member.

i have seen so many cult members who don't seem to really care if the end is near or not.

they are much more concerned with the idea that this is their social network and they need and or want it just the way it is.

luckynedpepper

I dont think its about "wanting" or "not wanting". Who wouldnt want everlasting life, in a tropical paradise, eating figs and cheese all day with a beautiful woman (or man) I think its about a realistic (conversely, overly optimistic) expectation of when these things might occur.

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So, When Did They Stop Singing?

by Atlantis in

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rutherford said:.

a few words like the above pronounced at the beginning of the study would be far more beneficial than to occupy the same time in singing songs, which often express much that is out of harmony with the truth of and concerning god's kingdom.watchtower/1938/may/1st/pg.139 .

back then, they had what was called: order of study, and this is what every overseer was instructed to say to the audience.. .

luckynedpepper

Glen Campbell?

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Eating of blood prohibition specifically not forbidden for non-Jews

by peacefulpete in

deut 14:21 you shall not eat anything that has died a natural death; give it to the stranger in your community to eat, or you may sell it to a foreigner.

for you are a people consecrated to yhwh.... it seems quite self evident the ritual of blood letting prior to eating meat was understood by the deuteronomist as binding only on jews..

luckynedpepper

1Sam 14:32. Here is how WT sees it in a questions from readers article:

“So they may have been making some attempt to drain the blood. (Deuteronomy 15:23) Yet, in their exhausted, famished state, they did not hang up the slaughtered carcasses and allow adequate time for normal blood drainage.”

This strikes me as having been written by someone who never killed or butchered an animal. Animal killed by a hunter dies due to blood loss. By the time you've field dressed the animal and hung it up to "drain" there is very little blood left. What does it maybe enough to paint a sheet of paper and is likely the residual loss within the body cavity. There is no real draining that happens, IMO. Perhaps there is some other method of death that requires independent ex-sanguination.

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Body of Elders Leadership

by bola in

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who has more power in the body of elders in watchtower.

is it the cboe, secretary, service overseer or who?

i am just wondering since in my congo there seems to be cowards among them..

luckynedpepper

There is not supposed to be any power difference. It has been emphasized, after the name change from Presiding Overseer to Coordinator, that the CoBE is simply the chairman for the body.

We know that's not true however. Often too, the men who want to be CoBE have a little cult of personality about them, are ambitious. The CO must also approve the CoBE- this always smacked me of ensuring an appropriately deferential man is CoBE.

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“A Better World Is Near.”

by Rattigan350 in

"the campaign will feature the distribution of a special edition of the watchtower magazine containing the cover series “a better world is near.”".

"more than 36 million printed copies of the magazine will be distributed in some 230 languages to communities in 240 lands around the globe.

in addition, the digital publication is available on various platforms in nearly 400 languages.".

luckynedpepper

Beats me how they do this with no public ministry? That is an awful lot of letters !

Each publisher only gets a few copies of the magazines. Each of my family recieved 4. Perhaps pioneers get more.

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So let's discuss the framework of gods plan for a paradise earth

by nowwhat? in

so after jehovah kills 8 billion people "for not knowing him'" he is going to resurrect 100 billion humans because " they didn't know him" .

the 8 million jw's will be tasked with educating these ones.

that's 1 jw for every 12k resurrected ones.

luckynedpepper

Ive been saying this myself for a bit:

Assuming even 50 Billion resurrected, that's 137k coming on line each and every day. They will need, food, clothing, housing, and education. Apparently, they will also need medical intervention to help them get over whatever imperfections they had prior to death.

Assuming you start with 8 million JWs, after 30 days, you have 12 million. Add 4 million+ every month after that.

Forget infrastructure or societal advancement, you'll be struggling to care for the basics.

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Science News article: ‘Case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans

by Disillusioned JW in

a news article has the headline of " ‘case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans"; see https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/19/case-closed-999-of-scientists-agree-climate-emergency-caused-by-humans .

the article says in part the following.. 'the scientific consensus that humans are altering the climate has passed 99.9%, according to research that strengthens the case for global action at the cop26 summit in glasgow.. the degree of scientific certainty about the impact of greenhouse gases is now similar to the level of agreement on evolution and plate tectonics, the authors say, based on a survey of nearly 90,000 climate-related studies.

this means there is practically no doubt among experts that burning fossil fuels, such as oil, gas, coal, peat and trees, is heating the planet and causing more extreme weather.. a previous survey in 2013 showed 97% of studies published between 1991 and 2012 supported the idea that human activities are altering earth’s climate.. this has been updated and expanded by the study by cornell university that shows the tiny minority of sceptical voices has diminished to almost nothing as evidence mounts of the link between fossil-fuel burning and climate disruption.. the latest survey of peer-reviewed literature published from 2012 to november 2020 was conducted in two stages.

luckynedpepper

“The cornerstone principle of the global warming theory, anthropogenic global warming (AGW), is built on the premise that significant increases of modern era human-induced CO2 emissions have acted to unnaturally warm Earth’s atmosphere.

“There are numerous major problems with the AGW principle.

“Identification of Volcanic vs. Man-made CO2

“Natural volcanic and man-made CO2 emissions have the exact same and very distinctive carbon isotopic fingerprint. It is therefore scientifically impossible to distinguish the difference between volcanic CO2 and human-induced CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels. This major problem with the AGW principle has been rationalized away by consensus climate scientists who insist, based upon supposedly reliable research, that volcanic emissions are minuscule in comparison to human-induced CO2 emissions (Gerlach 1991).

“Terrance Gerlach’s volcanic CO2 calculation was based on just 7 actively erupting land volcanoes and three actively erupting ocean floor hydrothermal vents (seafloor hot geysers). Utilizing gas emission data from this very limited number of volcanic features, Gerlach estimated that the volume of natural volcanic CO2 emissions is 100 to 150 times less than the volume of man-made CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels and therefore of no consequence.

“To put this calculation process into perspective, the Earth is home to 1,500 land volcanoes and 900,000 seafloor volcanoes/hydrothermal vents. By sampling just an extremely small percent of these volcanic features it is impossible to imagine that the calculation is correct.

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Do you think the Door to Door KNOCKING - field service will EVER resume AGAIN?

by pistolpete in

if i was a jw, and covid put and end to the door to door work for two years, and kingdom halls closed, it would get me to re-visit and think about the stupidity of the overlapping generation, and how they extended the deadline for armageddon to 2072.

(1992 franz death +80 more years).

if i was 20 years of age, plus another 80 = 100 years of age for the system to end.

luckynedpepper

Take Ken Cook;

Graduates HS 1980 (I think, per his WT introduction), call him 17.

Arrives at Bethel 1982

Franz dies 1992; he's now 29 (Somewhere in those intervening 10 years he starts partaking)

2022 is only a few mos away; He's now 59.

2032; He's now 69, and staring down death. This will be time to come up with a new explanation.

Could he live to 99, i guess so- but, is that relevant