Posts by nicolaou

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

nicolaou

Some miss the point through a genuine misunderstanding, some through a wilful misdirection.

Honestly, I pointed out that according to Genesis God killed every child on the planet but hey, never mind about that. The quibble about the size of earth's population at the time is far more important.

Again. Every child, every baby killed by god. Every single one. Slimboyfat's response?

I think (god) has some kind of plan that may be beyond my understanding. I trust that he knows better than me what he is doing.

Astonishing.

You'd think it couldn't get much worse but then you get to PetrW who, unless I've completely misunderstood, appears to be likening babies and children to Nazis who deserved their death in the choking floodwaters.

Slim', you did at least ask a sensible question;

what else should I conclude, that I a puny human have worked out the ethics of life and death and can teach the creator my conclusions?

Yes, precisely that. What makes you think that morality automatically attaches to power? Or conversely that being human and mortal necessarily means a weaker moral capacity? If god exists and created us why assume he is a moral being at all?

The Abrahamic god as recorded in the Bible is most certainly not.

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

nicolaou

It really doesn't matter whether the details are accurate or not, whether the story is borrowed or not or even whether it actually happened or not.

The point is that billions of people today claim at least nominal allegiance to this character and a good proportion of them worship and love him. THAT'S the reality that is so unsettling.

How is this healthy for humanity?

Perhaps I should start the Harold Shipman Fan Club? I'm sure he did a lot of good in Greater Manchester, well, you know, if you just ignore the mass killings.

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

nicolaou

too many unfounded presumptions in the OP

Such as?

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

nicolaou

Where do you get the figure of 60 million?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_millennium_BC

Seems to be a consensus around this figure for the time period. Would a smaller holocaust be more acceptable Slim'?

And no, modern atrocities by humans are no less acceptable, they are also irrelevant to the discussion. Focus.

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

nicolaou

Please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.

Let's make the assumption as many Christians do that the Bible is historically accurate. The Noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.

That means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation. As if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children God killed.

He drowned all of them, every single one.

I know I keep banging on about the atrocities of god but I make no apologies for it. There is a sickness at the heart of all three Abrahamic religions that the faithful need to face up to.

I haven't actually asked any questions, I don't think I need to. If you are believer who supports this first holocaust and mass infanticide you already know the questions you should be asking yourself.

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How do JWs know that less than 150,000 Christians existed before the 20th Century?

by Vanderhoven7 in

according to watchtower, only anointed christians existed between the first and 20th centuries.

the great crowd of other sheep only began forming after the 20th century started.. how do they support this conclusion?

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nicolaou

<pedantry> Fewer than not less than.</pedantry>

On the topic though;

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/14945/do-jws-still-believe-wt-version-144000

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

nicolaou

It's melted.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

nicolaou

No-one needs to buy it, though why anyone would even want to download it for free is beyond me.

https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/lloyd-evans/pdf-epub-the-reluctant-apostate-leaving-jehovahs-witnesses-comes-at-a-price-download/

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A talk about 1975 from 1972

by Nostromo in

everybody knows the famous "stay alive still 75" audio clip but here is a clip from 1972 with english subtitles.

harold mouritz was the branch committee member in finland when he gave this talk.

later he became the coordinator of the australian branch.

nicolaou

Sea Breeze: It has the “ring of truth”, if you are an uneducated mental midget.

More than a little insulting. Tell me, are you still into science denialism?

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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool February 2024

by DerekMoors in

happy new year!

time to give us your vote for lloyd's fall from grace this month.. december 6th he was at 406. as of today, january 3rd, he's at 388. that is exactly, on the dot, where he was january 3rd of last year!

he's lost all gains from his begging videos and reminders and tin cup waving and etc.. so, fire up the shrooms and let us know where you think flab boy will be on february 2nd.

nicolaou

I wonder if many of his patrons were watching his appearance on that podcast yesterday and caught sight of some of the comments? Lloyd wasn't in full control of censoring them, might be the first time many became aware of what he's been trying to hide for so long.