this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
KOW: it just reads "you will surely die." No mention of a "day." So where is the lie? They did die, right?
Everyone dies. If some thug threatens you with death you aren't going to assume they're referring to your old age demise.
Equally if someone says you won't die you aren't going to assume they mean you'll never die, that's just ridiculous.
Sophisticated theology can be fascinating but if it's arguing that black is white it's worthless.
i'm interested to know the age demographics here.
it must be significantly different to other exjw forums.
it would be a damning report for watchtower if most of us appear to have left for decades.. you don't have to mention your exact age, you could always say "in my 50s".. i am in my 70s.
I just turned 60. Crazy to think I made my first post here at 36.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Is it evil to be naked?
Only if you do it right
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Don't waste your time Jeffro. God's lies are the theme of this topic so obfuscation is the least we can expect from his followers.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon:
If I give you a definition, will you call it asinine like jeffro did?
I was merely pulling you up on your earlier assertion that "asking for the correct definition of the word 'spirit' confirms you believe it exists".
Does the fact that I asked you for a definition of unicorn mean that I believe unicorns exist? If you actually answer my question and offer a definition what does that say about your belief in unicorns?
C'mon man, you need to put something on solid ground.
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Halcon: The fact that you are asking for the correct definition of the word 'spirit' confirms you believe it exists.
Halcon, how would you define 'unicorn'?
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
peacefulpete: Pursuing a hypothetical to it's logical end, can be revealing. In the case of the Yahwist creation myth, it can become a rabbit hole.
Agreed. Whatever value can be drawn from these stories if they're treated as allegorical is lost the moment they're taken literally. I think part of it is the fear that not taking stories like the Fall literally will bring the whole house of cards down.
If Adam and Eve didn't fall from grace in Eden then what did Jesus die for?
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Human parents have 'absolute power' over their newborn children for quite a few years.
Although some sadly abuse this power most don't. We nurture, cherish and protect our children often at the cost of our own freedoms and dreams.
We gently correct poor behaviour and explain ourselves in ways our children will understand. We don't hide the facts or lie to them.
God could learn a lot from us
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Should we really be surprised that a being capable of such murderous atrocities is capable of lying to his children too?
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?
god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.
in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
FragrantAddendum: he is not a "child killer"
Oh please. Every child on earth drowned in a flood. Innocent Egyptian children killed in their beds. An innocent baby killed to punish it's adulterous parents.
I could cite more examples all from the bible but what good would it do if you won't debate honestly?
