Posts by nicolaou

1. Yes Francoise, the system will work in the US (worldwide in fact!) Modern payment methods have effectively removed national borders – a more pertinent issue in respect of operating this site globally is that of law.
This too is not the problem it appears to be. Privacy and trespass laws are underpinned by fundamental legal principles that are common to almost all nations (more on this at the workgroup).

2. The URL. I actually like the look of do-not-call.org It appears less jumbled when presented on-screen or in print. The ‘org’ domain also seems appropriate. I certainly take your views on board though and to that end I have purchased donotcall.net I will set it up to point at the current site but in the meantime perhaps we could hear the views of the rest of you as to which URL we should stick with?

3. Expatbrit, the DNC process will cover telephone and postal witnessing – more on this at the workgroup.
As to cost, I do not feel that £9.5 or $14 is excessive. About a third of this will be eaten in printing, notice production and overseas postal costs. Of the remainder, 50% will be paid to individuals like yourself who are ‘dropping leaflets’ and mailing responses. Most of what is left will be spent on advertising campaigns in the printed media (not internet).

4. WT response. After having received notice from DNC at congregation, branch and headquarters level, the Society will be aware that calling on DNC members constitutes trespass – a criminal act*.
I honestly believe that they will comply with the notices served upon them. However, we are all aware of the ‘rabidly zealous’ JW who will knock on any door regardless – how should this be handled?

I think it is only fair that the householder should be refunded their money on request, perhaps with the condition that they have asked for and supply the name of the publisher who called on them.
DNC could then write a formal letter of complaint to the congregation involved with the threat of legal action should such an infraction occur again.
With the householders consent, the incident could even be presented as a short news article in the local paper. There are many options.

*From the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

“Implied Consent
The postman and others (JW’s) who deliver items to your door have an implied consent to walk up your front path, but ..…a sign at the gate (or notice served) shows that those delivering them do not have implied permission to enter, and are trespassing if they do so. Householders whose [withdrawal of consent] has been ignored have brought successful court cases banning publishers from delivering them.”

”A person may become a trespasser if consent to be on the property has been revoked”

”You can sue a trespasser even if no damage has been caused….Such a case may be brought as a convenient way of settling a dispute.”

Just one final comment - would anyone applying to join the workgroup please copy & paste the following quote into their application. I know it appears paranoid but I’m just trying to be careful.

My name is (your name). I am applying for membership in response to your posted invitation at www.jehovahs-witness.com I support the aims of DNC as posted at http://www.do-not-call.org/policy.htm (Any other comments you wish to make)

Hopefully this may deter WT officials from applying[8>]

Looking forward to your continued feedback and support.

Nic’

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workgroup applications to:
. http://communities.msn.co.uk/donotcall

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www.do-not-call.org

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on april 2nd i purchased the domain name www.do-not-call.org .

a few weeks later i posted a comment on the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=3941&site=3.

it was titled 'can you stop the preaching work?'.

nicolaou

On April 2nd I purchased the domain name www.do-not-call.org

A few weeks later I posted a comment on the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=3941&site=3
It was titled 'can you stop the preaching work?'

I alluded there to a work in progress. This work is in its VERY early stages of development but for the next few days you can view it at http://www.do-not-call.org (for security reasons I will be taking it offline after the weekend).

I hope that this is a project that we can all be a part of. I will be asking for help in various sections of the site and look forward to receiving your input.

I have created a workgroup site specifically for the purpose of collaboration and away from the prying eyes of the WT. While we can certainly discuss topics freely here at Simons' site, the need for privacy and file-sharing dictate that we meet and work together elsewhere. If you want to be a part of it please go to http://communities.msn.co.uk/donotcall

I firmly believe that the best stand we can make is one that is noticed in the real world.

Internet counter-information certainly has its place and has proved very effective however, to capture the attention of a worldwide audience, to convince ordinary families and individuals of our position, we will need to 'roll up our sleeves' and get to work.
This will involve perhaps a few hours each week doing leaflet drops or writing short articles for newspaper publication.
The more time we all invest the greater our success will be.

We are not a pseudo-Watchtower society! "the workman is worthy of his wages" 1 Tim 5:18 It is my definite intention that all who share in this work receive a fair share of the income generated. I have already begun putting these arrangements in place. To be ready to receive payments directly please register at www.PayPal.com

Any site that offers its services for free will quickly run out of steam and be unable to compete against the might of the Watchtower for very long. I make no apologies for charging a modest fee at the site [£9.50].

I'm sure you will all have many questions but bear in mind that any sensitive information will only be released at the workgroup.

This project won't be completed quickly but if we all pull together it can become a very powerful tool.

Let's aim to have the site completed and working by September 1st 2001 thus providing us with a measurable gauge for the 2002 service report.

Sixteen weeks to plan a revolution, how about it?

Nic'

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Your best caption please.

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we all know how this works, just give us your best caption for this pic' .

[why do i get the feeling that 'gutter' will crop up more than once?].

nic'.

nicolaou

More 'goo' fodder (because you're SO good at this!)
Don't disappoint now.

Nic'

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Some facts on bloodless surgery.

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bloodless surgery is more than just 'another option' - it can save lives.

the truth is though that transfusions of blood and blood products save many more lives.. there has been a misconception that bloodless surgery is relatively risk free when compared to traditional techniques using blood but is this position justified?.

the following chart and report gives the opinions of medical staff.

nicolaou

Bloodless surgery is more than just 'another option' - it can save lives. The truth is though that transfusions of blood and blood products save many more lives.

There has been a misconception that bloodless surgery is relatively risk free when compared to traditional techniques using blood but is this position justified?

The following chart and report gives the opinions of medical staff.
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Bloodless surgery avoids some risks, invites others
By SHARON TUBBS

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Bloodless surgery centers have become more popular in the past 20 years, with at least 80 major facilities existing nationwide.

Jehovah's Witnesses, who don't believe in blood transfusions, are the centers' primary clients. But anyone can use them, and medical experts now ponder how broadly transfusion-free techniques should be applied.

Dr. Richard Spence helped start a bloodless center last fall at Baptist Health Systems in Birmingham, Ala., where he is the director of surgical education. There, doctors tell patients about the option of not using blood, regardless of their religion, Spence said.

"In using blood, risk is prevalent," Spence said. "People clearly want to avoid the risks if they possibly can."

And, frankly, blood isn't cheap, Spence said. With all the necessary testing, it costs his hospital about $600 to bring one unit (commonly called a pint) to a patient's bedside. That doesn't even include staff labor costs. The universal bloodless approach saved the private hospital $2-million in one year, Spence said.

Like the bloodless surgery center established at Tampa General Hospital in February, the private Alabama hospital uses various transfusion-free techniques.

Patients can donate their own blood ahead of time or take special drugs that increase blood cell count prior to surgery. In another procedure, doctors take some of the patient's blood before surgery, replace it with a non-cellular fluid, then inject the patient's own blood after surgery.

In the operating room, doctors might use a vacuum-like machine, called a cell-saver, that sucks in lost blood, cleans it and funnels it back into the patient's bloodstream. Some doctors use techniques to make cuts cleanly and meticulously, which decreases bleeding.

Jehovah's Witnesses vary on their opinions of whether some of the methods are acceptable under church doctrine.

Bloodless options are good for Witnesses, said Jeffrey Carson, chief of the division of general internal medicine at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New Jersey. But he cautioned against a wholesale approach.

"The premise of these programs is that you don't have to get blood, and I think that's not true. I think there's a lot of instances where blood is life-saving," Carson said. "We have been in a number of situations where I have observed a patient die when I think we could have saved the life. . . . It's distressing. But, ultimately, it gets back to respecting the beliefs of our patients."

Dr. Harvey G. Klein, president of the American Association of Blood Banks, said bloodless techniques have not eradicated the need for transfusions in many situations.

For instance, hip surgeries and organ transplants require transfusion because so much blood is lost, Klein said. He acknowledged, though, that there have been cases where Jehovah's Witnesses survived such surgeries without transfusion.

Klein also noted that the risks of infection from tainted blood today are nearly nil. The chance of getting HIV is one infection for every 1.5-million units of blood transfused. The chance of getting hepatitis C is one for every 350,000 units.

"I'm a strong supporter of these procedures," said Klein, who is also a scientific adviser for the Johns Hopkins Center for Advanced Transfusion Practices and Blood Research. But, he added, "You can't always eliminate the need for blood."

URL http://www.sptimes.com/News/040901/Floridian/Bloodless_surgery_avo.shtml
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Bloodless Surgery Avoids Some Risks, Invites Others

URL http://www.sptimes.com/News/040901/Floridian/Bloodless_surgery_chart.shtml

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Your best caption please.

by nicolaou in

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we all know how this works, just give us your best caption for this pic' .

[why do i get the feeling that 'gutter' will crop up more than once?].

nic'.

nicolaou

okay, okay. last one - I promise!

Nic'

. http://jw.escape.to