Hey Sunbeam,
there's more of us Brits loitering around here than you might think.
Nice to have you around.
Nic'
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Woman turns tables on JWs
by QCA1 inhello everyone.
i would like to share this with you.in the daily mail newspaper today there was an article about a woman who was so fed up of the jws calling at her home(which they have done for the past 12yrs)she decided to stop them once and for all,each time they called she told them she was not interested but they still came,so,the other day she went to the kh whilst there was a service and knocked on the door until someone answered,when they did they were not amused,the woman then started to ask completely irrelevant questions,she remained there for about 30 minutes then the police arrived to remove her,she went quietly and said she did it to prove a point.. paul gillies, spokesman for the jws in britain,said "representives did stop calling at homes if asked",he says "if someone states they do not want a visit we make a note and avoid calling",he also says that "we go to peoples homes because we are obedient to jesus's message,we want to spread the word of jesus and offer bible studies.if people phone our national headquarters saying they didn't want visits we would contact their local congregation and let them know".. i hope you don't mind me sharing this with you guys
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OBITUARY: JACKSON, Ethel Devon.
by nicolaou inat almost 98 years old, ethel enjoyed a longer life than most so why do i always feel sad when i read stories like this one?.
nic'.
jackson, ethel devon, born in geary, okla., on jan. 23, 1904, as ethel devon nicholson.. she lived in kansas city for a time as a young woman, married and had two sons, victor and lloyd while living in st. louis, missouri.. ethel became one of jehovah's witnesses in 1950 and moved to los angeles with her husband in 1979. they moved to palmdale in 1983, actively associating with the central congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. she enjoyed discussing the bible's hope for mankind (revelation 21:3,4) the resurrection hope (acts 24:15) and especially did she look forward to the time on earth, when no one would say i am sick (isaiah 33:24) she knew that included her.. ethel fell asleep in death on jan. 6, 2002, at the tender age of 97 years, 11 months and 6 days.
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At almost 98 years old, Ethel enjoyed a longer life than most so why do I always feel sad when I read stories like this one?
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JACKSON, Ethel Devon, born in Geary, Okla., on Jan. 23, 1904, as Ethel Devon Nicholson.She lived in Kansas City for a time as a young woman, married and had two sons, Victor and Lloyd while living in St. Louis, Missouri.
Ethel became one of Jehovah's Witnesses in 1950 and moved to Los Angeles with her husband in 1979. They moved to Palmdale in 1983, actively associating with the Central Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.She enjoyed discussing the Bible's hope for mankind (Revelation 21:3,4) the resurrection hope (Acts 24:15) and especially did she look forward to the time on earth, when no one would say “I am sick” (Isaiah 33:24) she knew that included her.
Ethel fell asleep in death on Jan. 6, 2002, at the tender age of 97 years, 11 months and 6 days. Ethel will truly be missed by her two sons, Victor, Lloyd and their wives, Lynette and Joni will truly miss Ethel. Along with, three grandchildren, Brandon, Vickie and Trevon, two great-grandchildren, Eyrica and Christopher, and many spiritual brothers, sisters and friends. We all look forward to seeing her resurrected in the Paradise on earth. (Psalms 37:11, 29).
A memorial service for her will be held at 11 a.m. Saturday, Jan. 19, 2002, at the Central Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, 2820 East Ave Q-6, (Palmdale Blvd & 30th St. East) Palmdale.
Original story: http://www.avpress.com/c/c1000.hts
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BLOOD
by nicolaou ini posted this on another thread but thought it might be as well to stick it in the right forum.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
blood.
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Good one Hawk!
I wonder if the WT response to this
the white blood cells used in this treatment are collected with leukapheresis (a machine to selectively collect white blood cells from the donor's blood) and deposited and then reinfused to the patient later.
might be that the procedure is essentially 'cell salvage'.Could they claim that the 'later' is in fact just a latter stage in the procedure and as such can thus be considered as part of a 'continuous procedure'?
We all know what their tortuous reasoning can be like!
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WTBS CHARGES £10 FOR INFO
by JEMIMAH inthe wtbs in the uk and all the relevant congregations have introduced a 10 charge for anyone wishing to see their personal files and info held under the data protection act.
information includes publisher record cards, s77 forms, specialised sheperding lists and so on.. i presume that this just applies to the uk.
does anyone know of any other countries that have started to apply charges?.
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Try something like this as a guide (adapt it to suit your circumstances).
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Dear Brother [name your cong's Data Controller]
As is my right under the Data Protection Act I would like to request:
a) Whether personal data relating to me or any member of my family is being held or processed.
b) A description of the data held, the purpose for which it is being held or processed and the recipients or classes of recipients to whom the information may be disclosed; and
c) A copy of the information held by the Data Controller and the source of that information.
I would remind you that under the terms of the Data Protection Act, you have 40 days from the receipt of this letter to comply with my request.
Please note that this is not a letter of disassociation and no attempt should be made to treat it as one.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------If you don't get any response from this on the first attempt you may like to follow up with something like this:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------Further to my letter of [insert date] requesting disclosure of information held about me under the terms of the Data Protection Act, I would like to remind you that you were legally obliged to answer my request within 40 days but have apparently decided to ignore the law on this matter.
I feel I have given you more than sufficient time to deal with my request and am giving notice that if I do not receive a satisfactory response to my request within the next 7 days I will be raising a formal complaint with the Data Protection Registrar.
I would remind you that this is not a letter of disassociation and no attempt should be made to treat it as one.
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BLOOD
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blood.
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Sorry about the link Celia.
If you (or anyone else) would like to receive the article as a Word attachment just send me an email.Nic'
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A prediction that WILL come true!
by nicolaou ingeorge harrison will top the uk charts on sunday.
do something nice for yourself.
stop reading or posting for ten minutes, put your speakers on and click the link below then pour yourself a really big scotch or roll a really big joint or just curl up with someone you love.. .
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George Harrison will top the UK charts on Sunday.
Do something nice for yourself. Stop reading or posting for ten minutes, put your speakers on and click the link below then pour yourself a really big scotch or roll a really big joint or just curl up with someone you love.
. http://www.allthingsmustpass.com/
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BLOOD
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blood.
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I posted this on another thread but thought it might be as well to stick it in the right forum.
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REFERENCES(EA) The Encyclopaedia Americana (International Edition) Volume 4 1981
(NEB) The New Encyclopaedia Britannica 1998 Edition
(ECT) Encyclopaedia of Chemical Technology Volume 4 Fourth Edition 1992
(CE) Colliers Encyclopaedia Volume 4 1997 Edition
(EE) Everyman’s Encyclopaedia Volume 2 Sixth Edition 1978(Publications listed above are available from the Reference Section of most libraries.)
From the HEALTH-CARE ADVANCE DIRECTIVE:
(2) I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. On the basis of my firmly held religious convictions (see Acts 15:28,29) and on the basis of my desire to avoid the numerous hazards and complications of blood transfusions, I absolutely REFUSE allogenic blood (another persons blood); stored autologous blood (my own stored blood); the blood components red cells, white cells, platelets and blood plasma; and blood-derived haemoglobin preparations (human or animal) under any and all circumstances, no matter what the consequences. This refusal is not to be overridden by a purported consent of a spouse, relative or other person or body.
(3) With respect to minor blood fractions or blood products containing minor blood fractions, according to my conscience I ACCEPT: [Initial one of the three choices below.]
(a) NONE.
(b) ALL.
(c) SOME. That is, I ACCEPT: [initial choice(s) below]Products that may have been processed with or contain small amounts of albumin (e.g., streptikonase, and some recombinant products [such as erythropoietin (EPO, epoetin-a) and synthesised clotting factors], and some radionuclide scan preparations may contain albumin).
Immunoglobulins (e.g., Rhesus immune globulin [Anti-D], gammaglobulin, horse serum, snake bite anti-venoms).
Clotting factors (e.g., fibrinogen, Factors VII, VIII, IX, XII).
Other:
White Cells (Leukocytes)
In the Awake! 22/10/1990 page 4 there is an illustration detailing 'The Main Components of Blood'.
White Cells are noted as making up only 1/10th of 1 percent (0.1) of the volume of blood*.Why isn't this classed as a minor fraction?
Also, The Encyclopaedia Americana (International Edition, 1981) states,
"white blood cells are capable of moving about independently and are not merely carried by the bloodstream. They can also move out of the bloodstream".
The New Encyclopaedia Britannica (1998 Edition) states that,
"Most of the leukocytes are outside the circulation, and the few in the bloodstream are in transit from one site to another".
This means that if a brother accepts an organ transplant (which is permitted), he will receive into his body many times more white cells than if he had them as a transfusion (which is not permitted).
Consider also that fractions like albumin have been deemed a matter of conscience on the consideration that such pass naturally from mother to child in the womb. However leukocytes also pass naturally from mother to child during breastfeeding, particularly in the first few days when colostrum is produced. On this matter, La Leche League International state,
"Colostrum also contains high concentrations of leukocytes, protective white cells which can destroy disease-causing bacteria and viruses".
The highly respected British Medical Association in their Complete Family Health Encyclopaedia state on page 291 under the heading 'COLOSTRUM',
"It has a high content of lymphocytes (white blood cells) and immunoglobulins, which help protect the baby from infection".
Why then are white cells not approved of by the Society for transfusion?
Platelets (Thrombocytes)
Again, NEB states,
"The blood platelets are the smallest cells of the blood, averaging two to four micrometres in diameter. Although much more numerous (150,000 - 400,000 per cubic millimetre) than the white cells, they occupy a much smaller fraction of the volume of the blood because of their relatively minute size".
EA puts platelet size smaller still at just "1 to 2 microns in diameter".
Why then aren't platelets classed as a minor fractions?
In the Questions from Readers article in the 10/1/94 issue of The Watchtower, the question raised was,
"Would it be proper to accept a vaccination or some other medical injection containing albumin derived from human blood"?
The first line of the response was, "Frankly, each Christian must personally decide on this". (The article then discussed the matter in detail and made the following observation,) "Currently a small amount of albumin is also used in injections of the synthetic hormone EPO (erythropoietin). Some Witnesses have accepted injections of EPO because it can hasten red blood cell production and so may relieve a physician of the feeling that a blood transfusion might be needed".
Why then are platelets prohibited?
The New Encyclopaedia Brittanica states that,
"The effect of the platelet response is to stop the bleeding and to form the site of the developing blood clot, or thrombus. If platelets are absent, this important defense reaction cannot occur, and protracted bleeding from small wounds (prolonged bleeding time) results".
Surely efficient clotting and reduced bleeding time would 'relieve a physician of a feeling that a transfusion might be needed'.
Blood Plasma
The Awake! article mentioned above states that,
"Plasma [makes up] about 55 percent of the blood. It is 92 percent water; the rest is made up of complex proteins, such as globulins [includes immunoglobulins], fibrinogens, and albumin".
NEB agrees with this and fills in some of the details. It states,
"The liquid portion of the blood, the plasma, is a complex solution containing more than 90 percent water. The water of the plasma is freely exchangeable with that of body cells and other extra cellular fluids and is available to maintain the normal state of hydration of all tissues. The major solute of plasma is a heterogeneous group of proteins constituting about 7 percent of the plasma by weight".
EA defines this portion of the plasma as 8 percent and states,
"The three principal plasma proteins are albumin, globulin and fibrinogen".
Whether 7 or 8 percent, this portion of the plasma (about 3.7 percent of the volume of blood), is comprised entirely of elements, which are approved of by the Society for transfusion.
The plasma is prohibited but its ingredients are approved!
TABLE 1. THE CONSTITUENTS OF PLASMA (in milligrams per 100 millilitres)
(Taken from Colliers Encyclopaedia, Volume 4, 1997 page 263)The chart below details every component contained within the water that makes up human plasma. Not ONE component is forbidden from use by the Society. Even the water is permitted as ‘saline’.
Sodium 310 - 340
Potassium 14 - 20
Calcium 9 - 11
Phosphorus 3 - 4.5
Chloride 350 - 375
Glucose 60 - 100
Urea 10 - 20
Uric Acid 3 - 6
Cholesterol 150 - 280IF EVERY COMPONENT OF PLASMA CAN BE TAKEN WITHOUT SANCTION, WHY IS THE PLASMA ITSELF FORBIDDEN?
PLASMA PROTEINS 6000 – 8000
Albumin 3500 – 4500
Globulin 1500 – 3000
Fibrinogen 200 – 600
Carbon Dioxide 55 – 65(Volume in millilitres, corrected for temperature and pressure, per 100 millilitres plasma)
Storage
In respect of albumin and immunoglobulins, very many litres of stored blood are needed to produce the small amounts of approved products. For example, to produce enough globulin for a single vaccination jab almost 3 litres of stored blood are needed. (See Encyclopaedia of Chemical Technology, Volume 4, Fourth Edition 1992)
This is more blood than a patient would normally get from a transfusion and remember that the globulins have been taken from FFP (fresh frozen plasma), which is stored blood.The Society has also approved Factors VIII and IX.
But to produce enough of these products to keep just one haemophiliac alive would mean taking components from thousands of litres of stored blood.How do we reconcile this? Why is it that we are allowed to make use of the stored blood of an anonymous donor, but aren't allowed to use our own stored blood?
If we can make use of stored donated blood in this way, why, as stated in the ‘Advance Medical Directive’, are we required to "absolutely REFUSE-stored autologous blood"?
It has been noted by the Society with respect to albumin, that as Jehovah's creation allows for this component to pass naturally from mother to child, it could be considered appropriate to duplicate this transfer via an injection or other means for medical purposes.
What of Jehovah's creation with respect to blood and its storage outside of the circulatory system?
Please note the following quote from 'Biology, a Functional Approach' 4th Edition 1998 page 208,"(11) Storing blood. The veins in the liver have great powers of expansion and contraction, to such an extent that the total volume of blood in the liver can vary from 300 cm3 to 1500 cm3. This enables the liver to serve as a blood reservoir. Along with the spleen, it can regulate the amount of blood in the general circulation".
If Jehovah's creation allows for the removal and storage of blood outside of the circulatory system could it not be considered appropriate to duplicate this for medical purposes?
Notes:
The Society may be mistaken in assigning to white cells such a low value for volume (0.1%).Colliers Encyclopaedia, Volume 4, 1997 Edition, states that white cells "make up 0.5 to 1.0 percent of total blood volume".
Compton's Interactive Encyclopaedia 1997 Edition, states; "There are far fewer white cells, or leukocytes, than there are red cells. In the bloodstream there is approximately only one white cell for every 700 red cells".
NEB states that white cells and platelets together constitute "less than one percent of the volume of blood".
Even at 1 percent, this is still a smaller amount than both of the permitted fractions, albumin and globulins. (EA page 91)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------If anyone's interested, you can download the above in Word format here: . http://www.msnusers.com/altJehovahsWitnesses/msgattachments/8 but I think you may need to log in first.
If that link doesn't work just go to . http://communities.msn.co.uk/altJehovahsWitnesses and look for the 'Blood Brochure' thread.
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how to sue the WTBS?
by orangefatcat indoes anyone know or heard of anyone that has sued the wbts?
i was just wondering i was in the organization 38 years and i feel cheated out of all those years i was in.
or how about when your disfellowshiped and your family alientates you from their lives.
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Japan's Aum Shinrikyo cult, which was behind the deadly 1995 Tokyo subway gas attack, says it has set up a computer business to compensate its victims.
Twelve people died and more than 5,000 were injured when Aum members released sarin gas during morning rush hour.The cult, which has changed its name to Aleph - the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet - says it is now a benign religious group.
On Tuesday, the group said 21 followers had set up a software company in Tokyo in August and planned to start operations this month.
"By running a company, we hope to boost our efforts in raising funds to compensate our victims," Aum said in a statement.
Before it renounced violence, Aum Shinrikyo earned millions of dollars from computer companies. Police investigations following the 1995 attack revealed the group had supplied software to the police and defence agencies as well as a number of prominent Japanese companies.
Pay outs
Several cult members have been sentenced to hang for their part in the subway attack.
Cult founder Shoko Asahara is in jail
Aum founder Shoko Asahara, whose real name is Chizuo Matsumoto, has been in custody since May 1995 while his trial on multiple charges, including murder and masterminding the subway attack, continues.In December 1999 the group admitted its role in the gassing. Since then it has paid $2.45m (303.5 million yen) in compensation to its victims, said Tuesday's statement.
The group also said it was working to help the victims of the 11 September terror attacks in New York and Washington.
"We are urging our followers and former followers to cooperate and do their utmost in donating money and relief products", the statement said.
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Catholics show JW's how to handle Pedophile issue.
by nicolaou inthe catholic church has appointed a non-catholic to lead its national organisation aimed at stamping out sex abuse within the church.
eileen shearer will head the catholic office for the protection of children and vulnerable adults (copca), based in birmingham.
ms shearer has a 25-year career in children's services, including 16 years with the nspcc as regional director for the south west.
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The Catholic Church has appointed a non-Catholic to lead its national organisation aimed at stamping out sex abuse within the Church.
Eileen Shearer will head the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children and Vulnerable Adults (COPCA), based in Birmingham.Ms Shearer has a 25-year career in children's services, including 16 years with the NSPCC as regional director for the South West.
COPCA was set up after the Archbishop of Birmingham, the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, promised to investigate all allegations of child abuse where no action has been taken in the past.
By having a non-Catholic, no one can accuse the Church of policing itself
Peter Jennings, press officer for the Archbishop of BirminghamFather Nichols, COPCA's chairman, said: "This appointment is a demonstration of our commitment to take a serious and conscientious approach to the children in our care.
"Eileen Shearer is a leading professional in her field and brings with her a valuable experience and the highest credentials.
"The Catholic Bishops of England and Wales unanimously endorsed the comprehensive report into this area carried out by Lord Nolan's committee.
"Nobody should be in any doubt that we intend to continue the work we have already done in conjunction with the existing high quality child protection professionals in the Catholic Church."
'Serious matter'
Ms Shearer's role will focus on raising awareness of sex abuse throughout the Church; selection procedures and training standards for staff and volunteers; and responding to allegations of abuse.
Ms Shearer said: "My job is to work with the existing professionals within the Catholic Church to take action and ensure that children are safe with the Church and to give families that confidence."
Peter Jennings, the Archbishop's press officer, added: "It was always the intention to appoint the very best person for this job, therefore the field was not restricted to Catholics.
"They have chosen a non-Catholic and it shows how serious the Catholic Church is about this matter.
"By having a non-Catholic, no one can accuse the Church of policing itself."
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Damn these witness 'brown coats'
by Simon inmy dad is still very ill in hospital and i'm very worried about his condition.
he is going to have some tests tomorrow and may then be having surgery.
doesn't look too good at the moment .
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Simon
just to wish you well at this difficult time. Hope your dad's condition improves, he's lucky to have you fighting his corner even if he doesn't fully appreciate it yet.You've already had loads of support I'm sure but if you, or anyone else, needs it I prepared a 'Blood Brochure' for download a couple of years ago.
It needs some work but even with the recent 'changes' it should still make some JW's think - maybe your dad?
Just cut & paste the link below into your browser.
All the best mate,
Nic'http://www.msnusers.com/altJehovahsWitnesses/msgattachments/8
Indebtedness goes to Ray Franz.