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  The Watchtower's Delicate Mastery Of Deception

  by metatron in

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  you gotta admire the skill manifest in the watchtower's deception skills.

  don't kid yourself, even the gestapo, in internal documents found after the war, found the magazines to be well crafted in the field of propaganda.. the latest deceptions?

  well, there's the nov. awake magazine with its cover asking, "is belief in a creator reasonable".

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vXu-ZPgLf0&feature=related
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  The Watchtower's Delicate Mastery Of Deception

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you gotta admire the skill manifest in the watchtower's deception skills.

  don't kid yourself, even the gestapo, in internal documents found after the war, found the magazines to be well crafted in the field of propaganda.. the latest deceptions?

  well, there's the nov. awake magazine with its cover asking, "is belief in a creator reasonable".

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  When I was in Alaska I really wondered why God would make 1" size mosquitoes. Guess what I did? I put on some mosquito repellent. I was at a beach the same day a person was killed by a great white shark. She was swimming with a group of seals way out from shore. I don't swim with sharks and try to avoid drinking water with parasites or swimming with leaches in piranha infested waters. I am happy we are not running from Tyrannosaurus Rex or 6 foot flying mosquitoes. I try to avoid walking off cliffs and any danger I can. I try to eat right and live a healthy life and that is not easy. Yes there are millions of things in this world that can kill us. It's like a huge video game and you better pay attention or you will be history. Who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if we chose to have our memory erased and be born here! Maybe we get many life's!

  Why can't God create a world like this if he want's to? Could it be to him death does not exist? Could the spark of life go on as the Bible indicates it does? A bird, without any teaching, knows how to build very complicated homes/nests high in the trees to raise it's young. They sit on eggs and turn them then raise their young. Where did they learn to do this? Who programed this into them? Could they have lived before? We can't explain the cycle of life or how it started nor can man create life from non living mater.

  Should God have made a world where there are no cliffs, no dangers at all? Wouldn't people complain about that? Is that the kind of world you would have chosen? Do they make video games like that? Maybe they do but I bet few adults play them.

  A ugly caterpillar with many legs changing into a beautiful butterfly with a few legs and wings that can fly is a inexcusable miracle in my opinion among many.

  I don't want to debate the subject. Been there done that.

  Peace out
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  Are we all still FAMILY? Yes or No?

  by Greybeard in

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  here is why, even though i no longer agree with most of what the gb/wt/jw's teach, i still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group.

  born in or converted.

  we all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult.

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  (((talesin)))

  I am happy to see all the warm replies.

  Sense my fade I have felt much closer to what I at one time called "worldly" people. They are not the "evil" people I was programed to believe. I have noticed their are many who feel the way we do such as x-mormons and x-catholics. To me it seams x-jws have a closer bond but maybe thats just me. IDK...

  I like what Peter said at Acts 10:28, "and he said to them: “YOU well know how unlawful it is for a Jew to join himself to or approach a man of another race; and yet God has shown me I should call no man defiled or unclean."

  If only the Watchtower felt that way!!! Somehow they just over look these kinds of scriptures.

  Another favorite scripture of mine they never quote is Romans 11:32, "For God has shut them all up together in disobedience, that he might show ALL of them mercy."

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  1 Corinthians 15:22, "For just as in Adam ALL are dying, so also in the Christ ALL will be made alive."

  That is two strong scriptures you will NOT hear the Watchtower comment much at all on! I wonder why???

  Your brother,

  Greybeard
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  Are we all still FAMILY? Yes or No?

  by Greybeard in

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  here is why, even though i no longer agree with most of what the gb/wt/jw's teach, i still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group.

  born in or converted.

  we all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult.

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  Startingover...

  Why the somber face?

  I was joking with you. I am not an advocate of reincarnation but I don't believe it is impossible do you?

  Hey wait a dog-gone minute MR! Are you trying to hijack this thread?

  I'm running out of posts dag-nab-it!

  Limit is 10 in 24hrs
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  Are we all still FAMILY? Yes or No?

  by Greybeard in

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  here is why, even though i no longer agree with most of what the gb/wt/jw's teach, i still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group.

  born in or converted.

  we all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult.

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  Would anyone care for some blood pudding? I'm going to pass but just thought I would ask. If not we have cookies with fractions in them.
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  Are we all still FAMILY? Yes or No?

  by Greybeard in

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  here is why, even though i no longer agree with most of what the gb/wt/jw's teach, i still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group.

  born in or converted.

  we all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult.

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  ROTFLMAO @ Diest very funny!

  It's ok AnneB, you can have some meatloaf

  Wow, only one NO so far! I think thats great! I hear you exwhyzee

  @ startingover, Did I wrong you in some past life? Why do I get the feeling I know you? I LOVE Atheists!!! They make me laugh the LOUDEST!

  To everyone else, I am so glad to hear you feel the same way

  Keep posting
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  Are we all still FAMILY? Yes or No?

  by Greybeard in

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  here is why, even though i no longer agree with most of what the gb/wt/jw's teach, i still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group.

  born in or converted.

  we all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult.

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  I say Yes

  Here is why, even though I no longer agree with most of what the GB/WT/JW's teach, I still feel especially close to all of us who were apart of this group. Born in or converted. We all have had the same life experience of being raised in a over bearing mind controlling cult. The Watchtower has gone WAY beyond what is written. I know many have lost faith in God all together and I can understand why.

  When I am on a forum like this I feel I am with my family. Am I crazy for feeling this way? Do you feel that way too? I love the humor and jokes and I relate to most of them. I believe many of us have developed a heightened sense of humor to combat all of the sadness we have lived through.

  We are not "mentally diseased" people like the recent 9/11 Watchtower calls us, we ALL have been mentally abused. Is it any wonder many do not want to have anything to do with God anymore? These were "Gods representatives" to us for years.

  So how do you feel about this question? Do you feel a special relationship with X-JW's and maybe even lost believing JW's? I ache for my family with tears often. I am carrying a heavy load of pain and heart ache as many of you are I am sure. Sometimes to the point, well... I don't want to say it...

  But I want to say this, I love each and every one of you and I still feel like you are my brothers and sisters wether you do or not. I believe many of you feel the same way.

  Your brother,

  Greybeard
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  I started a new relationship

  by greenhornet in

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  i have a girl friend that i like very much.

  we have been together about a month now.

  we talk about religion some times and i tell her i am christian and leave it at that.

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  Ask her how she feels about you having multiple wives as Mormons do. If she is ok with it, JOIN!

  Hey wait a minute... I didn't say that
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  A brother at my wife's congregation wants to study the Bible Teach book...

  by garyneal in

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  ... he apparently has wanted to do so for a while now.

  i agreed to meet with him this tuesday night at 6:00 p.m. edt.

  he asked me to pick the chapter where i wanted to start.. hmmmmm... where shall i start?

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  Thank you garyneal and everyone else for all of your posts! I have really enjoyed reading this thread. I admire what you are doing and the time you are taking with this "hero". I realize he most likely will never come around but now you have him in a position where you can make a strong point that he never will forget. like the one person said, you can't cut a tree down buy cutting the leaves. You have been doing that in my opinion but soon you should go for the trunk.

  What really is sad in this case is your wife must be very joyful that you are studying with this person. She thinks your eternal life is being saved. As the "hero" put it, "you will become a witness." (or something like that) No doubt he has told her that too. The longer this goes on, the more hurt your wife will be when you don't drink the Kool-Aid. I commend you for what you are doing. The only hope I have for some of my family is that someone like you will take the time to do this for them.

  So, how do you chop the tree down? There are many ways but my favorite is to share Isaiah 44: 25-26, "I am frustrating the signs of the empty talkers, and I am the One that makes diviners themselves act crazily; the One turning wise men backwards, and the One that turns even their knowledge into foolishness; the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers."

  Then ask, "Has Jehovah made any words of the Jehovah Witnesses come true? Has he carried out completely the counsel of the messengers known as Jehovah's Witnesses?" The answer to that question is NO he has not. ALL of their predictions have proved them to be "empty talkers" and their knowledge has proved to be "foolishness."

  I would do this in front of my wife if at all possible. However, only you know how your wife will react so think about that one first. But you need to become firm at this point with this man. You need to let him know that you strongly feel the Bible proves JW's are false messengers and false prophets! God has not made ONE WORD of theirs come true! NOT ONE! Don't let him pull 1914 on you. They predicted Armageddon would come in 1914. Has he once pointed you to Christ Jesus or is he pointing you to the ORG/GB? you know the answer to that.

  This is only my opinion, you know your situation best. Sometimes a good shock will shake a person. I think you need to shock him. They cannot answer Isaiah 44: 25-26. The Watchtower hardy ever quotes it. Is it any wonder?

  What you are dealing with is a programed robot who is trying to lead you to obey and follow MAN not Christ. Jesus is the way truth and the life. I hope you do believe that. If you do, you could tell him your hope is to live in heaven with Christ then see how he tries to shut that TRUE Christian hope down.

  I would record this if I were you then you could play it for your wife latter if she doesn't sit in. Us too

  Your brother in Christ,

  Greybeard
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  All of you should start a splinter JW group..

  by fortbethel in

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  forgive me if this comes off as harsh,.

  i've read & read many posts here mostly very negative.

  alot of you have family that have shunned & continue to shun.

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  Hey lets say we were going to start a NEW group. What would we name it?

  I will try a few:

  Apostate Dubs, Aposticals, Apostates United, TTATT Borg, Aposta Kool-Aid Drinkers, The Apostate Way, Not Apostates Org, Rebels Without A Cause,

  Awake Dubs, The Enlightened, Apostate Witnesses,

  I'm trying not to take Gods name in vain, I'll let you atheists do that Sense you have no fear of him

  I'll stand back,

  Peace out