i realize many on this forum are atheist, and theres many threads to show why.
some believe creationist lack knowledge or understanding and that we are too ignorant to realize there isn't a creator.. i have studied (not in depth) first year college science, and am studying medical/health currently.
i am also very interested in astronomy, and have learned a little in that area.
@ startingover
Like I said before to you brother, "sticks and stones"... For a person that only uses "logic and reason and not emotion" you sure do come off with some nice insults. I believe this last post of yours is clear indication that you also are guided by emotion even though you don't realize it. You took what I said as an insult when actually I meant it as a complement. Put that gun back in it's holster partner!
i realize many on this forum are atheist, and theres many threads to show why.
some believe creationist lack knowledge or understanding and that we are too ignorant to realize there isn't a creator.. i have studied (not in depth) first year college science, and am studying medical/health currently.
i am also very interested in astronomy, and have learned a little in that area.
@ ShadesofGray
Welcome to the forum! I am new too. I am a Christian. As far as "mutual respect" on this forum goes. I believe you will receive respect from both Christians and atheists as well as lack there of from both. This is a X-JW forum and their are many who no longer believe in God. I can understand why they feel the way they do. Like yourself, at one time, it bothered me very much when they dropped into a thread like this. Rather than get upset about it I try to be loving and not get offended no matter how offensive the person tries to be. At times it is not easy and I have lost it on other forums in the past. Even though most here are no longer JW's, I still try to view everyone as my brothers and sisters. Some as spiritual and some physical. Our loving response could be the only thing that wins them over to Christ. Love never fails. In my opinion, the true definition of an atheist is "a person that does not believe in God yet."
Your brother in Christ,
Greybeard
in case you haven't heard, the november 15, 2011 watchtower, page 5 made this comment.
"today, no servant of jehovah uses physical force against opponents of pureworship.
"vengeance is mine," god says.
"I have emailed the author and asked him if he would like to comment on how the Watchtower Society has used his words."
GREAT IDEA! I can't wait to hear what he has to say!!!
one of the most interesting aspect of bible i have found is pronouns.. all i know about foreign language i get off the internet.
so my question, for them who know, is the "who" at matthew 24:45,. does it imply "which one?
" or does it tilt toward "describe".. in other words does it mean, identify, or does it mean, getting a profile.. in english we can say "who" is that person in the crowd?.
These are "types" of Christians and the wheat grow with the weeds. You have those who are "faithful and discreet" and you have those who say, "my master is delaying" and beat their fellows slaves. The Watchtower started beating it's fellow slaves soon after 1914. Likewise they have focused beatings on fellow slaves after every failed prediction. Now we are feeling the beating because of the generation change. If the GB really believed it's own teachings they would have stuck with the generation teaching down to the end just like Russell stuck with 1914. The truth is, the 1914 generation is not dead yet. They changed the understanding in essence saying "our master is delaying" and have proceeded to beat their fellow slaves again! They don't believe their own teachings and do not stand by them!
i'm talking to this girl right now who is technically still a witness.
she doenst go to the meetings anymore but not because she does not feel its the truth.
her parents are no longer witnesses and i want to get her to see the truth about the "truth" before she decides to go back in.
Hi Still Stuck Cruz,
I like to keep it REAL simple. She has been programed and if you answer her questions verbatim they will go in one ear and out the other just like every other JW. That is the way they are programed. She is asking you these questions to TEACH YOU, not because she doesn't have the answers.
You need to turn this around and make her do the work. I would share Isaiah 44:26 with her, as regards YHWH it says, "... the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers." The question is, can this be applied to JW's? Everyone knows the answer to that question. Isn't that the reason most of us no longer believe them? We are tired of them crying wolf! They are False Prophets! Another thing I would ask her is how would she feel if Jehovah killed billions of people who never became JW's because of the JW's many False Prophecies and flip flops? Is Jehovah really that unjust? Maybe even print some of the Watchtower quotes off of jwfacts.com where they did claim to be "Jehovah's prophet" and "mouth piece". Jesus told us we are to have no leader besides him.
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/jehovahs-prophet.php
Best wishes,
Greybeard
one of the most interesting aspect of bible i have found is pronouns.. all i know about foreign language i get off the internet.
so my question, for them who know, is the "who" at matthew 24:45,. does it imply "which one?
" or does it tilt toward "describe".. in other words does it mean, identify, or does it mean, getting a profile.. in english we can say "who" is that person in the crowd?.
Jesus spoke using parables all of the time as we all know. Matthew 24:45 is talking about a type of slave not a specific slave revealed 1900 years later. What ever the case, the Bible students were not "wise" or "discreet" according to the Watchtower itself. If a JW were to believe most of what they taught back then they would be disfellowshipped. What did the "food at the proper time" they served really amount to? False prophecies and tongue lashing their brothers with hateful speech. Has anything changed? They continue to put forth hate speech and condemn all who do not swallow every last drop of their "food at the proper time". The words of Gods messengers come true as Isaiah 44:26 tells us speaking of YHWH, "... the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers." How can this group claim to be Gods messengers? It is truly laughable!
just posted by vampire665 on facebook.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/28/jehovahs-witness-magazine_n_985479.html.
And now a song from the GB!!!
...and the only stipulation for spending it was that you had to use it in some way against the wts, how would you use the money?
a tv campaign?
radio?
I would try to get with jwfacts.com and help him translate his web site into as many languages as possible. Promote it through google adds, yahoo and any other way on the internet including a large e-mail campaign. Also I would make more youtube videos like the ones made by jwstruggle.com. Two of them can be seen here: http://www.jwstruggle.com/downloads/ I also would make a top notch documentary for Netflix and the like. Why do you think I play the lottery? I dream about doing this. Why do you ask? Do you have $1M to donate? We can get this ball rolling if you do ;)
Just a side point, The Watchtower does have billions of dollars on hand. They could launch their own satellite channel on Dish or Direct TV if they wanted too. They could have a internet TV channel cheep! They probably have enough money to put their own satellite into orbit for God sakes! Their own web site lacks in HUGE ways! Why don't they do these kinds of things if the message is so important? It is because they want the rank and file occupied with knocking on "not at homes" wasting their time. That keeps them obedient and gives them warm fussy feelings even though nobody is listening and everyone views them as False Prophets! If they really believed in their prophecies they would NOT have changed the generation understanding. They would be like Russell who waited until the last moment in 1914 because he really did believe! These GB leaders don't believe! THAT is why they made a WAY OUT! The generation of 1914 has almost past away for sure but they have not all died yet! They could have stuck with their guns but if they did that, everyone would leave soon after 2014. That is what they have tried to avoid. soon all will see then for what they are, False Prophets!
as elders we were told that tattoos were a no no!
because leviticus 19:28 says not......and jar hoover doesn't change according to micah.. the verse prior says not to cut your beard.. we have here typical wbt$ spin.
take one scripture literally and 'appeal to authority' ie.
The beard issue is the one thing that has bothered me the most as a Jehovah's Witness. They have absolutely no scriptural grounds to enforce this. As Punk has shown from the Bible, it is opposite! Leviticus 19:27, ‘YOU must not cut YOUR sidelocks short around, and you must not destroy the extremity of your beard." I think it had more to do with controlling the young men at Bethel and keeping them younger looking. Possibly more feminine looking as well. I would think the first men who practiced this must have been pagan trying to look like females. I always had hoped they would discover that ties were pagan too. Who puts a choke rope around their neck and walks around with it? No doubt it was a kinky pagan practice at first.
so lets say we are "mentally diseased"... where is our protection from this hate speech and mental abuse?
there are all kinds of mental institutions around the world.
edit- maybe we should all go check ourselves in saying, "jehovah, the great physician has called us "mentally diseased apostates!
@ WTWizard
You are absolutely right! If it wasn't for the "laws of the land" they would be stoning us to death and why? For not believing they are equal to Jesus Christ? For not believing them after all of their false prophecies? The truth of the matter is if we were under the Mosaic Law this scripture would apply to them, "However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it." Deuteronomy 18:20-22
Hello...
Anyone at Bethel reading this? Wake up!
