Posts by vienne

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Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

by NikL in

i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

vienne

Steve2,

No, that's historically inaccurate. Russel taught a '2 class' doctrine that he derived from writers such as William Trotter [Plain Papers on Prophetic and other Subjects.] and M.P. Baxter [Louis Napoleon: The Destined Monarch of the World]. Russellites really had a three class system. 1. The Little Flock, anointed and limited to 144K. 2. The Great Crowd, somehow less faithful than the Little Flock but destined to heavenly life. 3. Vast majority of humans destined to live in a paradise earth.

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Is there anything recent in the publications about Jesus only being the ransom for annointed?

by NikL in

i was trying to find something recent that i can show "still ins" in my sphere but it is proving harder than anticipated.. most of what i am seeing is couched in confusing goblygook wt style prattle.. my wife argues that it's not even true and i think that's the case with most jaydubs.. so i guess if it is a teaching that is being allowed to fade, maybe it's not worth pursuing?.

any of you scholars out there got anything recent clear and handy?.

vienne

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus is the ransom for all. They also teach that he is Mediator only for the 144K. This causes confusion. They teach that Jesus is mediator of the New Covenant and that the covenant is only between God and the heavenly congregation. So in their view he does not mediate anything for anyone other than the 144K. Jesus propitiates for all. He is intercessor for all. He is not mediator for all.

This seems to cause endless confusion.

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Legalities around summarising Ray Franz's book 'Crisis of Conscience'

by UnshackleTheChains in

just looking for some advice.

i know there has been a lot of discussion around the book 'crisis of conscience' and copyright infringement on this forum.

hence the reason for my question.. in 2004, i couldn't believe my luck in finding this book in the city library.

vienne

If you don't quote extensively from the book; if you put everything in your own words, it's a new product. If you quote extensively you run afoul of the fair use provision of copyright law. Fair use allows only minor extracts for educational and review purposes.

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REVEALED: Remarkable Activities of Unusual Religious Sect

by darkspilver in

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friends

interesting article.

3,800 words long.

so it's a 'long read'.

vienne

A number of statements in this article cannot be taken at face value. Among them is the claim that Russell was worth two hundred fifty thousand dollars in 1884. In fact, he was fairly wealthy in terms of 1884 dollars, but his actual net worth was about fifty thousand dollars. He spent about 38,000 dollars on the printing and circulation of Food for Thinking Christians between 1881 and 1884. This was a money losing proposition since the small book resulted in some but not many converts.

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REVEALED: Remarkable Activities of Unusual Religious Sect

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

interesting article.

3,800 words long.

so it's a 'long read'.

vienne

I cannot address Watch Tower finances during the Rutherford era. During Russell's administration they were shaky and by 1916 the Society was nearly broke. This was partly due to Russell's obsessive need to see his books circulated. He let colporteur accounts fall ten thousand dollars in arrears, only to be bailed out by a wealthy adherent. A court examination of Society accounts in 1911 showed that his books were a money losing proposition.

Russell may have been a fanatic, but he didn't make money from his writing. His goal was to spread Watch Tower doctrine at any cost.

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You tired of me asking for help yet?

by vienne in

an early watch tower evangelist was e. c. leigh.

in 1882, he was a student in allegheny city, pennsylvania.

he traveled through the central states in the 1880s and early 1890s.

vienne

E. C. Leigh is Edward Colston Leigh, b. 26 Mar 1858, in Berkeley Co., WV, d. 23 Aug 1943, in
Baylor University Hospital, Dallas TX, bur. 28 Aug 1943, in Oak Grove Cem.,
Dallas, TX.

I identified him through an old Forth Worth, Texas, Directory.

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Watchtower Library Won't Run

by sfbayarea in

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i have 4 computers that are all running windows 10 version 1703.. 1. laptop that came with windows 10 was updated to version 1703 - watchtower library runs fine.

2. laptop that came with windows 8 was updated to windows 10 for free - watchtower library runs fine.

3. laptop that came with windows 7 64 home was updated to windows 10 for free - watchtower library does not run.

vienne

did you run the ccleaner Registry cleaner, or just ccleaner?

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Watchtower Library Won't Run

by sfbayarea in

jw
friends

i have 4 computers that are all running windows 10 version 1703.. 1. laptop that came with windows 10 was updated to version 1703 - watchtower library runs fine.

2. laptop that came with windows 8 was updated to windows 10 for free - watchtower library runs fine.

3. laptop that came with windows 7 64 home was updated to windows 10 for free - watchtower library does not run.

vienne

Delete WT library. Run a registry cleaner. CCleaner is free. Then clean install the library. WHEN IT ASKS YOU IF YOU WANT TO AUTO UPDATE, SAY NO. If you auto update, it will stop working.

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