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  PREPARE TO GET PELTED BY SYMBOLIC HAILSTONES

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/idhmflud3p4?si=9xc4svrhxslduwvz.

  so david schafer a member of the teaching commitee and a helper to the governing body has come out yesterday with a new video that goes through the king of the north, the hailstones message and other things in the wake of the possibility of a ww3 and especially now that tensions are escalating with russia so he is making quite a few end time arguments and i will be expanding on those one by one but today let's see what he has about the hailstones message of the end(video) so this is the paragraph in question, paragraph 14 from article 20 of the watchtower 2020 study edition: "sometime after the start of the great tribulation, “the kings of the entire inhabited earth” will form a coalition of nations.

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  vienne

  Schaffer is smarmy, and his presentation is speculative. When a sermonizer says "it could be" it calls into question all his points. If one cannot say with sound proof that somethin "is" then do not say it
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  vienne

  He's pathetic. But he gives us something to do.
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  Historian and former JW Jim Penton dies

  by slimboyfat in

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  i don’t know a lot about james penton but i think he deserves a better thread than the one currently on offer.

  james penton, who died recently, grew up in a jw family in canada and served as an elder.

  unusually for a jw, he studied liberal arts at university and became a history professor.

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  vienne

  Mom and Dr. Penton corresponded off and on. He said nice things about the Separate Identity series, including, "they've done things no one else had done." He seemed a very nice man, though upsetting to Witnesses. He will be missed.
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  Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

  even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

  yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

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  vienne

  TruthHistory.blogspot is not my blog. I do not contribute to it. Either you can use google, or you cannot. There are at least two obituaries on the internet. Find them ... if you can.

  I did not write the book or contribute to it in anyway. I was a child when mom and Dr. Schulz were writing it. You are grasping as straws. Theologically and psychologically. The claims of Masonic background are ... well, ... groundless. For you they're a tool to express your anger at being disfellowshipped. Fine. You continue to shout it out. But few if any will believe you. When you cannot refute something said here, you attack. I had a dog like that when I was a child. She was a very mean bitch. We had her put down.

  More to the point, Russell was not a mason. The memorial pyramid was designed and built after his death to reflect Watchtower belief that the cap stone of the great pyramid represented Jesus. You believe a myth because it brings you comfort and helps you escape your personality disorders.
  

  You have become an uninventive troll with one message. You should be a sober-minded contributor. Won't happen. (I doubt you'll ever overcome your alcoholism, but you should consider AA.) You'll come back each time you're deleted here only to be tossed again, because you have no self-control. Only boiling anger.

  I doubt you'll ever overcome your anti-social personality disorder. It is very sad. You seem to need me as a release for your anger and intellectual nonsense. Super. I charge for counselling, but this session is free.
  
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  Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

  even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

  yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

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  She, the banned troll,

  I cannot answer for my mother who is quite dead. Even in that state, she is smarter than you. Moron, I didn't write the book. Dr. Schulz and R. M. de Vienne, Phd (my mother) did.

  Her death notice:

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2019/03/our-princess.html
  
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  Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

  even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

  yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

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  vienne

  Catholic troll,

  The op did not ask for a refutation but for the origin of the doctrine in Watchtower theology. For once, stick to the topic.
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  I just made a video that every JW should see.

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just made a video every jw should see.

  the aim of this video is to help jehovah's witnesses be more open to constructive critisism, especially from their own members, that are swiftly excommunicated /disfellowshipped/ removed from the congregation if they dare to point out their religion's flaws concerning doctrine and practises, even when there is scriptural evidence.

  i have first hand experience of that.. https://youtu.be/71zcv7lux3g.

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  oh dear, masons is back with a new name. how swell
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  I just made a video that every JW should see.

  by Kosonen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just made a video every jw should see.

  the aim of this video is to help jehovah's witnesses be more open to constructive critisism, especially from their own members, that are swiftly excommunicated /disfellowshipped/ removed from the congregation if they dare to point out their religion's flaws concerning doctrine and practises, even when there is scriptural evidence.

  i have first hand experience of that.. https://youtu.be/71zcv7lux3g.

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  vienne

  I've said it before. I'll say it again. You need mental health counseling.
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  Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

  even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

  yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

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  vienne

  Most Age-to-Come adherents believed that Bride of Christ's proper home was earthly and that the kingdom was an earthly kingdom. Barbour (and perhaps Russell) believed that until 1877 when he published an article clearly explaining the two destinies salvation theory. The Herald of the Morning issue containing the article has been lost, but key elements are quoted by Peters in his Theocratic Kingdom. Barbour's article rejected the commonly believed earthly destiny doctrine. He called it an "agricultural heavens." [Theocratic Kingdom, vol 2. page 120 and following.]

  The issue was current in millennialist circles. It does not show up in Bible Examiner until after Barbour's 1877 article.

  George Storrs and George Stetson's history, biography and relationship to Russell are the subject of chapters two and three of Separate Identity volume one.
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  Proof of two destinies for believers in the Bible, heavenly and earthly

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jw idea that believers are destined either for heavenly life or for endless life on earth comes in for significant criticism by critics of various kinds.

  even some groups, such as the christadelphians, who share belief in a future paradise earth, don’t share the view that some christians are destined for life in heaven.

  yet there is surprisingly quite a lot of evidence in the bible for the existence of two distinct groups of believers.

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  vienne

  Sadly, this post has been hijacked. To answer the original question, see Separate Identity, volume two, page 34. There you will find a brief summary of the 19th Century background to the two destinies theology. There are older writers teaching the same thing, but I do not believe Russell read any of them.