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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  vienne

  I see Lloyd is back.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

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  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  ask ... nonsense. you rely on cut and past from catholic sources, often quoting them. you NEVER rely on scripture alone.

  Re-read Revelation 22:1. the throne is God's. the lamb sits on it with God. It does not say he is God. A prime example of your reading scripture through extra biblical sources instead of the bible alone.
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

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  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  Our Catholic troll is unable to argue based only on Scripture. He is afraid to discuss scripture alone. This is pity worthy. But it mirrors the Scribes and Pharisees.
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  The Big Secret

  by finishedmystery in

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  when the gb brought a formal end to all the type/antitypes in so many ways it could be said that they brought the religion to an end.

  the other sheep/anointed teaching that leads to a two class religion was originally based on two antitypes--the jehu/jehonadab relationship and something about the cities of refuge.

  in that 2014 annual meeting talk david splane even specifically stated that the cities of refuge has no antitype.

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  Somewhat factually incorrect. The two classes theory was derived from a Brethren and an Anglican writer and not based on a type. Types were used later to bolster the theory. The Brethren was William Trotter. [Plain Papers, first chapter]. The Anglican was Dunbar Isidore Heath [The Future Human Kingdom]

  You may also want to consult Schulz and de Vienne, Separate Identity, volume 2, chapter two.

  The type/antitype hermeneutic as expressed through Rutherford-Knorr-Franz entered Watchtower theology in 1918 when Rutherford replied in kind to PSL Johnson's articles about Jeremiah's prophecy. The recent move away from it is a return to the Watchtower's literalist roots.
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  Re: Russell's connection to Masons and Secret Societies

  by Enlightened1 in

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  our history is not what we have been taught.

  the golden dawn history.

  we see that russell was involved with freemasonry and used freemasonry symbols on his earlier magazines.

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  Our Cognitively Challenged troll’s “proofs” as presented above are full of classically defined logic flaws. Most prominent of these is Argument from Absence (Ad Ignorantiam). She suggests that absence of evidence is in fact evidence. For instance, saying "there is no record of Russell being a member of any Lodge" implies that he was a member and the lack of any documented proof is in itself proof that he was. This is moronic. Absence of evidence is not evidence.

  A subset of Ad Ignorantiam argument is “Cherry-Picking Evidence,” a selective use of information. She presents a series of statements that have no or questionable worth as evidential matter.

  False Dichotomy: Her statements create a false sense of dichotomy where one might think that, since there is no documented proof provided by the organization, it implies an absolute proof that the Watchtower is hiding ‘something.’

  Ignoring Counterevidence: Our mental case fails to deal with substantial evidence that Russell was not a Mason.

  Aside from the logic flaws I’ve noted here, she has through these ‘discussions’ failed to clearly state why she was disfellowshipped, evasively stating that she disagreed with those in authority. She denied being EasyPrompt, though later implying she was. She has suggested that she is God’s messenger, though her thought processes suggest she’s an escaped mental patient. Probably flushed her meds again. And as a bit of humor, she persists is thinking I’m a Witness or a former Witness, and she confuses me with my mother.
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  I am Glad some Watchtower Masons have repented

  by AnnaNana in

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  i have had some correspondence from several masonic watchtower leaders recently who have expressed repentance over their blasphemy of jehovah's name and it's been encouraging to see that people can change..

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  Again, I'm not the author of Separate Identity or any other book related to Jehovah's Witnesses. You're guesses are uniformly wrong. Not unexpected.

  You're consistently off the mark. Obviously, based on your nonsense comments and grammar, you are a stranger to basic logic. So which mental institution were you in last?
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  Re: Russell's connection to Masons and Secret Societies

  by Enlightened1 in

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  our history is not what we have been taught.

  the golden dawn history.

  we see that russell was involved with freemasonry and used freemasonry symbols on his earlier magazines.

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  all that is irrelevant, off point, and proves NOTHING
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  I am Glad some Watchtower Masons have repented

  by AnnaNana in

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  i have had some correspondence from several masonic watchtower leaders recently who have expressed repentance over their blasphemy of jehovah's name and it's been encouraging to see that people can change..

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  Grips are special handshakes, something like gangster hand movements, meant to identify a person as member of a group. In Russell's day there were perhaps 20 active societies similar to masons.

  You may find this helpful: https://www.britannica.com/topic/secret-society
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  Sea, that's totally unscriptural. It contradicts Ecclesiastes, "the dead know nothing."
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  I am Glad some Watchtower Masons have repented

  by AnnaNana in

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  i have had some correspondence from several masonic watchtower leaders recently who have expressed repentance over their blasphemy of jehovah's name and it's been encouraging to see that people can change..

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  vienne

  A halfway competent person can reset their MAC address, something you well know.

  Mom's dead. The only special order she belong to was 'educator.' Oh and 'mother.'

  Me, I belong to is the "order of containment of feral third graders" and the mid-Saturday coffee club.

  While my mom occasionally exchanged emails with Barbara, we've never spoken. Wrong again. No surprise there.

  Elaborate on the reason you were disfellowshipped. It seems as if you've left out key details. Why would you do that?