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  JW Refutations of Criticism of Russell and Rutherford

  by Duvduv in

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  can someone direct me to jw refutations of the harsh criticisms of charles russell and judge rutherford that are on the internet and youtube?

  i am a fair person and insist on hearing both sides to a controversy.

  in this case, i would like to know what traditional yw responds to such personal criticisms and alleged changes in beliefs.

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  doubt,

  Yes, I post here occasionally. Thanks for the kind words about our book. I didn't recommend it because it's not a defense of Russell and Rutherford is seldom mentioned in it. But yes, an honest seeker after historical 'truth' would benefit from reading Separate Identity. [We're busy finishing volume 2] and maybe our biography of Barbour.

  There is also our history blog: http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ Click on the older posts link at the bottom to browse. Links to our books are on the sidebar.

  R. M. de Vienne, PhD
  
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  JW Refutations of Criticism of Russell and Rutherford

  by Duvduv in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone direct me to jw refutations of the harsh criticisms of charles russell and judge rutherford that are on the internet and youtube?

  i am a fair person and insist on hearing both sides to a controversy.

  in this case, i would like to know what traditional yw responds to such personal criticisms and alleged changes in beliefs.

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  vienne

  download the Watchtower CD.
  
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  Fred Franz Former Training in Ancient Greek

  by Wild_Thing in

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  has anyone been able to verify that fred franz received the minimal training in ancient greek that he claimed gave him the expertise to translate the bible?

  you would think that would be fairly easy to verify or disprove in this day and age.

  what college did he attend?

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  The issue isn't Hebrew grammar but English grammar. Reflexive pronouns are not best grammar in American English. I did not suggest that Franz couldn't translate; I suggested his English language word choices were not best grammar.
  
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  Fred Franz Former Training in Ancient Greek

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
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  has anyone been able to verify that fred franz received the minimal training in ancient greek that he claimed gave him the expertise to translate the bible?

  you would think that would be fairly easy to verify or disprove in this day and age.

  what college did he attend?

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  Kingdom Interlinear draws from Vine's Expository Dictionary. It is almost entirely drawn from Vine's. The KI if full of scholarship because it borrows from a true scholar. Compare the two.

  Examples of poor grammar? Use of reflexive pronouns, especially in the OT. ie: He himself.
  
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  Fred Franz Former Training in Ancient Greek

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
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  has anyone been able to verify that fred franz received the minimal training in ancient greek that he claimed gave him the expertise to translate the bible?

  you would think that would be fairly easy to verify or disprove in this day and age.

  what college did he attend?

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  BB, I haven't read the transcript in 2-3 years, but that's my memory. You could very well be correct.
  
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  Fred Franz Former Training in Ancient Greek

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone been able to verify that fred franz received the minimal training in ancient greek that he claimed gave him the expertise to translate the bible?

  you would think that would be fairly easy to verify or disprove in this day and age.

  what college did he attend?

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  vienne

  Franz was asked not to translate a verse from Greek but back into Greek. I do not know of any Greek scholar willing to do that. However, the NWT is even in its new version, very poor. The English grammar is wretched.
  
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  Watch Tower History

  by vienne in

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  we've posted updated and new research on our history blog.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/06/temporary-post.html.

  this is rough draft material for a chapter in vol.

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  vienne

  Thanks Gorb.
  
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  Watch Tower History

  by vienne in

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  we've posted updated and new research on our history blog.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/06/temporary-post.html.

  this is rough draft material for a chapter in vol.

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  Last,

  Yet here you are back reading my posts. ... I understand that you do not like the Watchtower and are incurious about its past. But you're also obsessed with it. Shame. Probably explains why you became a Witness in the first place and why you didn't stay.
  
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  Does anyone know of this guy, or agree with his statements on racial differences in IQ?

  by Sugar Shane in

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  here are some quotes by the guy, from his youtube channel.

  his name is stefan molyneux, and he’s apparently popular among the alt-right crowd.

  he’s also widely quoted on these discussion boards, by certain ex-jws, who use him to help promote their political views.

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  vienne

  When I was pursuing my education degree I found Intelligence described as the ability to more and more closely associate ideas. I think that covers all of the definitions of intelligence. It covers social skills, survival skills, academic skills.

  Without question an IQ test can indicate intelligence, but unless you're joining MENSA, it does not indicate much. For instance, if it takes you ten days to figure out a problem and it takes your friend ten minutes, are you less intelligent? You figured it out, right? Maybe it was a type of problem you'd never encountered before. Next time you see a similar problem, you will have experience to guide you. It will not take you as long to reach a solution.

  Being quick witted may be nice, but alone it does not mean you're a superior human. Behavior is what matters. A misbehaving genius is a fool. An mentally under-performing but kind-hearted person is his superior.
  
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  Watch Tower History

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we've posted updated and new research on our history blog.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/06/temporary-post.html.

  this is rough draft material for a chapter in vol.

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  Sparrow,

  Do they match up? In places. Sometimes the watchtower gets it right. But we tell you things they do not. They won't tell you about Russell's early associates who left. We give a huge amount of detail. Vol. 3 of Separate Identity will have the story of Conley, Paton, and Jones' and why they left the Watch Tower. In volume 2 we tell about several who did and why.

  I think the major difference is that we tell a full, as complete as we can make it, account. They abbreviate because they're not really writing history. They're writing self-praise. With great probability, they will never quote from our books. A preview of Separate Identity vol. 1 is here. https://books.google.com/books?id=NYiUBgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=schulz+separate+identity&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjPqfDVwvLbAhVEKawKHe9TCPAQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=schulz%20separate%20identity&f=false

  Judge for yourself. Personally, I think that Penton [latest edition of Apoc. Delayed] and Zoe Knox recommend our books indicates that we will not get anything from the Watchtower that might take adherents to it.