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  Was CT Russell a freemason or not

  by UnshackleTheChains in

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  ok. many people deny ct russell was a freemason.

  i have read articles whereby some have found no evidence to prove he was one at any point in his life.. however, given all the masonic symbols in the early publications including the use of the name jehovah ( the name the freemason's use to identify god), as well as the expressions used such as 'new world, new order' etc certainly raises suspicions.. then there is the article he wrote in the herald magazine outlining that he was a freemason (see the following video 40 seconds in).

  it really does make you think!.

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  vienne

  Whynot, How do you know that Russell attended Masonic meetings and donated money? Please point me to your source.
  
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  JW Refutations of Criticism of Russell and Rutherford

  by Duvduv in

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  can someone direct me to jw refutations of the harsh criticisms of charles russell and judge rutherford that are on the internet and youtube?

  i am a fair person and insist on hearing both sides to a controversy.

  in this case, i would like to know what traditional yw responds to such personal criticisms and alleged changes in beliefs.

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  vienne

  We gave a survey of Russell's business interests in volume 1. We won't touch on that again in vol2. If we write the third book in this series, tentatively titled On the Cusp of Fame, they become an issue again. And we'll consider them in more detail then.
  
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  JW Refutations of Criticism of Russell and Rutherford

  by Duvduv in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone direct me to jw refutations of the harsh criticisms of charles russell and judge rutherford that are on the internet and youtube?

  i am a fair person and insist on hearing both sides to a controversy.

  in this case, i would like to know what traditional yw responds to such personal criticisms and alleged changes in beliefs.

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  vienne

  Dear Duv,

  Not everything written about the two men is accurate. You may want to read Zoe Knox's Jehovah's Witnesses and the Secular World. Dr, Knox is generally a good researcher and and she's an academic, not an opposition writer. So she's fairly neutral.

  Chryssides' Jehovah's Witnesses: Continuity and Change is another book by an academic. It's not always accurate, but the errors are minor. Again, a neutral book, as far as any book can be neutral.

  Be aware that many things said about Rutherford simply are not true. There's a well-known photo of him and some of his friends drinking that is supposed to prove he's a drunk. The only problem is that they're drinking root beer, The glasses are root beer cups and the dispenser is a root beer dispenser. Be cautious and do not accept anything without convincing evidence. Convincing evidence is eye-witness, original documents. Not some claim made on the internet.

  Another Rutherford story is someone finding a bobby pin in his bed. They presumed it was proof he was a fornicator. Except ... he was losing his hair, and one of the contemporary remedies was something called Lucky Tiger. One rubbed it into his scalp and wore a skull cap secured with bobby pins. So there is no solid proof in that story. I'd be pleased to find solid proof, or a solid refutation. I have not found either. In my wordy way, I'm simply advising caution.
  
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  JW Refutations of Criticism of Russell and Rutherford

  by Duvduv in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone direct me to jw refutations of the harsh criticisms of charles russell and judge rutherford that are on the internet and youtube?

  i am a fair person and insist on hearing both sides to a controversy.

  in this case, i would like to know what traditional yw responds to such personal criticisms and alleged changes in beliefs.

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  vienne

  Doubt,

  There will also be a volume 3. We found unexpected things, documents we did not know still existed. So we shaved off the end of vol 2 knowing we had enough for a third volume. ... Stay tuned.
  
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  JW Refutations of Criticism of Russell and Rutherford

  by Duvduv in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone direct me to jw refutations of the harsh criticisms of charles russell and judge rutherford that are on the internet and youtube?

  i am a fair person and insist on hearing both sides to a controversy.

  in this case, i would like to know what traditional yw responds to such personal criticisms and alleged changes in beliefs.

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  vienne

  Dear doubt,

  Dr. Schulz is very old, and I have health issues. But we have books outlined to 1977. Don't know if we'll ever write them because of circumstances, but I'd love to do it.
  
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  JW Refutations of Criticism of Russell and Rutherford

  by Duvduv in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone direct me to jw refutations of the harsh criticisms of charles russell and judge rutherford that are on the internet and youtube?

  i am a fair person and insist on hearing both sides to a controversy.

  in this case, i would like to know what traditional yw responds to such personal criticisms and alleged changes in beliefs.

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  vienne

  doubt,

  Yes, I post here occasionally. Thanks for the kind words about our book. I didn't recommend it because it's not a defense of Russell and Rutherford is seldom mentioned in it. But yes, an honest seeker after historical 'truth' would benefit from reading Separate Identity. [We're busy finishing volume 2] and maybe our biography of Barbour.

  There is also our history blog: http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ Click on the older posts link at the bottom to browse. Links to our books are on the sidebar.

  R. M. de Vienne, PhD
  
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  JW Refutations of Criticism of Russell and Rutherford

  by Duvduv in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone direct me to jw refutations of the harsh criticisms of charles russell and judge rutherford that are on the internet and youtube?

  i am a fair person and insist on hearing both sides to a controversy.

  in this case, i would like to know what traditional yw responds to such personal criticisms and alleged changes in beliefs.

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  vienne

  download the Watchtower CD.
  
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  Fred Franz Former Training in Ancient Greek

  by Wild_Thing in

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  2. friends

  has anyone been able to verify that fred franz received the minimal training in ancient greek that he claimed gave him the expertise to translate the bible?

  you would think that would be fairly easy to verify or disprove in this day and age.

  what college did he attend?

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  vienne

  The issue isn't Hebrew grammar but English grammar. Reflexive pronouns are not best grammar in American English. I did not suggest that Franz couldn't translate; I suggested his English language word choices were not best grammar.
  
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  Fred Franz Former Training in Ancient Greek

  by Wild_Thing in

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  2. friends

  has anyone been able to verify that fred franz received the minimal training in ancient greek that he claimed gave him the expertise to translate the bible?

  you would think that would be fairly easy to verify or disprove in this day and age.

  what college did he attend?

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  vienne

  Kingdom Interlinear draws from Vine's Expository Dictionary. It is almost entirely drawn from Vine's. The KI if full of scholarship because it borrows from a true scholar. Compare the two.

  Examples of poor grammar? Use of reflexive pronouns, especially in the OT. ie: He himself.
  
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  Fred Franz Former Training in Ancient Greek

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone been able to verify that fred franz received the minimal training in ancient greek that he claimed gave him the expertise to translate the bible?

  you would think that would be fairly easy to verify or disprove in this day and age.

  what college did he attend?

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  vienne

  BB, I haven't read the transcript in 2-3 years, but that's my memory. You could very well be correct.