Probably in March if not sooner. Yes on Amazon and other book sites.
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4Separate Identity vol. 2 - Outline of Contents
by vienne ini'm still not ready to write a review of my advance copy, but for those who have waited for the second volume of this history of the watch tower's earliest years, here is an outline of contents.. intro and first five chapters.
introductory essay – b. w. schulz.
historical idealism.
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Another comment from an Advanced Reader for S. Identity vol. 2
by vienne ini'm almost done reading it myself.
i'm impressed but since my mom was one of the writers, i am prejudiced.
here is the latest comment.
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vienne
March next seems to be the target date. It will be available on Amazon and lulu and Barnes and Noble and other book sites.
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Another comment from an Advanced Reader for S. Identity vol. 2
by vienne ini'm almost done reading it myself.
i'm impressed but since my mom was one of the writers, i am prejudiced.
here is the latest comment.
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A recent review of volume 1 found at https://books.google.com/books/about/A_Separate_Identity_Organizational_Ident.html?id=NYiUBgAAQBAJ
User Review - Magnificent. I have never read a book on Jehovah's Witnesses so meticulously researched. B. W. Schulz and R. M. de Vienne (recently deceased) are to be congratulated for shining a light on this little understood period (1870-1887) of Bible Student history. They refute the myths that have grown up and been perpetuated by both friends and foes of the movement. These are replaced by concrete facts which are fully and laboriously footnoted. I could not recommend this book more highly. -
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I need sources for all the times JWs have expected Harmageddon
by Etude ini expect that 2 new jw guys in the area are going to revisit me.
the left some brochures emphasizing how bad the world is and talking about the end.
i need to break through with examples (wt articles, publication excerpts, etc) so that they can gag a bit.
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Probably few Witnesses would leave over this issue. They believe in a progressive understanding. What drives many is untoward events, bad behavior by others, personal offense, uncertainties, and a dictatorial, authoritarian structure foreign to many Western cultures. Perhaps the best approach, if you want to evangelize Witnesses, is to work on that level.
For my mother, who was never a Witness, the question was, "Is this right? Should Christians behave this way?" Bad behavior by authority figures defines organizations.
Another issue, as my young eyes see it, is that some simply do not wish to live within the shifting rules set by Witness authority figures.
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Another comment from an Advanced Reader for S. Identity vol. 2
by vienne ini'm almost done reading it myself.
i'm impressed but since my mom was one of the writers, i am prejudiced.
here is the latest comment.
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I'm almost done reading it myself. I'm impressed but since my mom was one of the writers, I am prejudiced.
Here is the latest comment
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I need sources for all the times JWs have expected Harmageddon
by Etude ini expect that 2 new jw guys in the area are going to revisit me.
the left some brochures emphasizing how bad the world is and talking about the end.
i need to break through with examples (wt articles, publication excerpts, etc) so that they can gag a bit.
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vienne
You should be aware that Russell viewed Armageddon significantly differently from Rutherford and modern Witnesses. Russell saw it as human chaos, a struggle between haves and have-nots. About 1929 Rutherford promoted the current. He thought it was near in the 1920s. Later he expected World War 2 to lead into Armageddon. The Consolation's editor thought it was months away. There was 'informal' speculation about 1954 because it was forty years after 1914, a supposed parallel to Moses' life. However, in a general way the Watchtower was advising caution, saying there was a vast work ahead. Nineteen seventy-five was a year of high expectation. And now ... they seem to believe it is imminent.
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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?
by nowwhat? injust wondering hate to give the devil his due.
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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?
by nowwhat? injust wondering hate to give the devil his due.
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proof of something that does not exist is difficult.
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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?
by nowwhat? injust wondering hate to give the devil his due.
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You see his doctrine as 'lies.' That's very subjective. Thousands of Bible Student adherents see his doctrines as absolute truth. They would dispute your characterization of his beliefs. In any case, to fit the definition of Charlatan, he would have have been consciously misrepresenting.
We're arguing about words here without making much progress.You present a definition of "lies" that is true in itself, but you misapply it to this situation. You've done the same with the word "charlatan" apparently to justify your characterization of Russell. I agree he was often wrong. I agree he believed things derived from others that were wrong. Being wrong does not make anyone a liar within the definition you quoted.
I'm disengaging from this conversation. We're parting here with both of us believing ourselves to be in the right. Would you characterize one of us as a liar? That's a rhetorical question ... You need not answer it.
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Did Russell come up with the no hell fire and no Trinity doctrine or did steal that belief from another religion as well?
by nowwhat? injust wondering hate to give the devil his due.
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There is a vast difference between being wrong, which Russell most definitely was, and a conscious pretense, a false representation. Words and their definitions matter.