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  You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

  they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

  i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

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  Newly enlightened Kim should own up to incompetence and irrational zeal.
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  You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

  they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

  i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

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  Downt,

  That kind of unity is Watchtower thinking. If you want freedom of thought, you will have disagreements. And allowing a false report to represent those who oppose the Watchtower (or merely find it a strange religion) does more harm than a united front behind the erroneous report.

  Do you really want us all to blindly follow what ever negative thing is said about the Watchtower? True or not?

  False statements, contrived stories, the sensationalism used in place of rational thought, the simple moronism found in some youtube videos makes those who reject Watchtower doctrine and practice appear stupid. Do you really want us all to look stupid just for the sake of unreachable unity?

  I reject that thinking.
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  You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

  they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

  i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

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  If it was me, I'd sue the pants off Kim and Mikey. But it's not me, so they're okay on that front.
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  What is it with these lard ass GB and gold rings and watches?

  by mickbobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  they wear jewelry like they are some don from the cosa nostra.

  watches and rings like some cheap pimp.

  hey they are cheap pimps.

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  who had the rolex watch? I did not see that. have a link?
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  You Tube Questions about Watchtower Property

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  kim and mikey made a youtube yesterday claiming that a business called watchtower property co. was connected to the watchtower.

  they used a recording done by youtuber smurf girl of a call she made to a julie at the company.

  i believe the call was doctored as it has her saying that (no) "we're connected to the jehovahs witnesses directly.

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  I've watched many of the Kim youtube shows. It seems to me that they make huge issues out of nothing or nearly nothing. When your money or your mental well-being depends on making many videos you will end up like kim and mikey.
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  Major ABC news article JW'S in Russia

  by Bill Covert in

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  2. friends

  if someone can post an abc news article on forum, i lack the computer skills.

  please read.

  the main point was nobody is able to figure out motive for persecution.

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  I thought it was obvious. The Russian government caters to the Orthodox Church. Hence, the persecution.
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  Request:--Atlantis Do You Have The Original Watchtowers and The St. Paul Enterprise?

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  several researchers have remarked, that the watchtower reprints are missing quotes here and there that are found in the original watchtower magazines.. .

  so, we have put together the "original" watchtower magazines for download.

  the reprints can be used for extras.

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  B, the primary author of Separate Identity, tells me that the Enterprise was no secret. It may be new to many here, but, he says, serious researchers have known of it and referenced it for decades. He says Rutherford hated the paper, believing that the Watch Tower should be their only 'voice.'
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  Job 31 v 11

  by zachias in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in job 31 v11 it states that an inappropriate sex act is a crime not a 'sin'.

  if this so between adults then it must extend that it is so if children are involved.

  but the wt refers to paedophilia as a sin..

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  New International Version
  For that would have been wicked, a sin to be judged.

  Isn't it both a sin and a crime? No religion should act as a civil court. A religious court perhaps, for sin.
  
  
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  Which English Translations of the Bible are you Favorites, and Why?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  which english translations of the bible are you favorites, and why?

  my favorites include the (english) revised version bible (of 1881-1885) and its apocrypha (of 1898), the american revised version bible (of 1898, it close to the american standard version), the american standard version bible (of 1901), the new american standard bible - updated edition, the new revised standard version bible with the apocrypha, the complete bible: an american translation (it includes the apocrypha), and the twentieth century new testament.

  i also use others beside those.. they are my favorites because i consider them to be highly accurate, and also they are either very literal (but not so literal as to be hard to understand) or they use functional equivalence.

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  Mom left me with many Bible translations. I like the Jerusalem Bible, the original version. And I like the three volume "The Bible from 26 Translations."
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  The Emphasized Bible - Now included in WT LIbrary

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the emphasized bible (rotherham) is now included in the wt library under "other bibles.".

  therefore it joins kit, kjv, asv, & the bible in living english in such group.. any thoughts?.

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  Uncle B in Separate Identity vol. 2 wrote:

  As clergy outrage intensified after 1895, the Watch Tower parousia doctrine was interminably criticized and often misrepresented. This continued through the 20th Century and into the present century. Consider Walter Martin’s comment:

  “Jehovah’s Witnesses claim scholarship for this blanket translation of parousia, yet not one great scholar in the history of Greek exegesis and translation has ever held this view. Since 1871, when “Pastor” Russell produced this concept, it has been denounced by every competent scholar upon examination.

  “The reason this Russellite rendering is so dangerous is that it attempts to prove that parousia in regard to Christ’s second advent really means that His return or ‘presence’ was to be invisible, and unknown to all but ‘the faithful.’”

  This is a polemicist’s poor research and a misrepresentation. His misstatements vary from minor to significant. The 1871 date is wildly wrong, something he could easily have known when he wrote. Russell did not originate the concept, but as we’ve shown elsewhere, it has a long history. He suggests that no “great” Greek-language scholar ever accepted a uniform translation of παρουσία as presence. One supposes that any scholar that disagreed with Martin would not have been ‘great’ in his eyes, including Joseph Rotherham, who noted in the appendix to his translation: “In this edition the word parousia is uniformly rendered ‘presence’ (‘coming,’ as a representative of this word, being set aside). The original term occurs twenty-four times in the N. T. [He lists all the verses which we omit from this quotation] ... The sense of ‘presence’ is so plainly shewn by the contrast with ‘absence’ (implied in 2 Co. x. 10, and expressed in Ph. ii. 12) that the question naturally arises, – Why not always so render it?”

  Martin failed to cite or quote any of the “great” scholars who rejected Watch Tower exposition of παρουσία. When one only writes polemics, it is convenient to avoid citing sources. Martin misrepresented Russell and modern Watchtower belief, claiming that their view is that only “the faithful” would be aware of it. He puts ‘the faithful’ in quotes, but the phrase is lacking on the pages he cites as is the belief he attributes to Watch Tower adherents. Russell, the modern Watchtower, and Bible Student groups all believe that in time Christ’s presence will become apparent to everyone, at least when Christ executes God’s judgment. Martin’s real objection was that Russell and modern descendent religions present an understanding of prophecy different from his own. The same is true for Russell’s contemporaries who wrote similarly. Many who wrote anti-Russell tracts simply mentioned the teaching without refuting it, relying on shock value to accomplish their purpose.