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  2021-08-S-196--Using Enjoy Life Forever! in the Ministry!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  2021-08-s-196--using enjoy life forever!

  in the ministry.

  english and spanish.

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  vienne

  Thanks
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  Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

  by Disillusioned JW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

  https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

  - (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

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  I've read Ronald Numbers' book on the subject, and I recommend it in this context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Creationists
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  From Paradise Lost To Paradise Regained: Is the WTS the sole promoter of this doctrine?

  by Pallbearer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  howdy folks,.

  i am interested in learning whether or not the watchtower society is the only religious entity that teaches the "from paradise lost to paradise regained" idea.. the "idea" is that god's original purpose for man and the earth has not changed.

  god purposed for adam and eve and their offspring to reproduce and fill the earth and live forever upon it; but the problem of sin entered into the picture and temporarily interrupted that purpose from being completed.

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  From Schulz and de Vienne, Separate Identity, vol 2:

  "Historic Millenarianism was defined by Norman Cohn in his 1957 work, Pursuit of the Millennium, as the belief held on the authority of Revelation 20:4-6, that after his return Christ would establish a kingdom on earth and would reign over it for a thousand years, followed by a final judgment. Cohn characterized the salvation doctrine of early and medieval millennialist sects as collective. Salvation was to be shared by the elect as a corporate body. It was “to be realized on this earth and not in some otherworldly heaven.” Deliverance was imminent and total, “so that the new dispensation will be no mere improvement on the present earth but perfection itself.” Ultimate salvation, deliverance from this evil world, would be by divine not human means. There were and are variations among millennialists, but over time this is the pattern followed by most who wished to adhere closely to New Testament doctrine. It is with minor exceptions Watch Tower faith in the Russell era."
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  Allegheny Pyramid Desecrated

  by RolRod in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  sometime within the last 2 weeks, someone took a sledgehammer to the pyramid monument in allegheny.

  they stole the topstone, smashed the cross and crown emblem and removed the seal.. personally i'm surprised it lasted this long untouched.

  although through the years russell's grave has been vandalized, it was always repaired by the bible students..

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  The 1994 event: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2017/11/lets-go-rob-pyramid.html

  Current vandalism: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-pyramid.html
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  The unfolding crisis in Afghanistan is completely Joe Biden's fault, nobody else's

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. social
  2. current

  so, there's been a lot of talk on social media, blaming trump for the current crisis that began at the weekend.. it's a load of bullsh!t from deluded people who are desperate to blame anyone but joe biden, the idiot they voted for or at least wanted to win last november.. there is only one person, just one person, to blame: joe biden.. he has the heavy burden of making tough presidential decisions.. and after this debacle, it's reasonable to ask if he's up to making such decisions..

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  When you elect a socialist moron, this is what you get. Will Democrats use him as a puppet when he fully slides into dementia, pretending all is well? Or will they replace him with Harris, not quite as mentally fragile, but equally stupid?
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  Research

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  b is busy writing volume three of separate identity.

  he's posted a request for research assistance on his blog.

  are you an adept researcher?

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  B is busy writing volume three of Separate Identity. He's posted a request for research assistance on his blog. Are you an adept researcher? Want to probe the W. H. Conley's life, and that of his wife Sarah? Here is an opportunity.

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2021/08/scandals-and-hand-wringing.html
  
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  Lloyd Evans keeps doing parts on how the JWs are guilty of follwing the bible.

  by mickbobcat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been watching evans videos for a while.

  he keeps attacking the cult for following the bible.

  women are to be subservient to men.

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  Like Kim and M, Lloyd's videos are overly dramatic, focus on the irrelevant, sometimes wrong, and too long and repetitious. That said, he isn't as stupid as Mike, and much easier to watch. Neither set of videos is especially convincing.
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  I'm now turned off by this site

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in one form or another i've been a member of this site for almost 10 years.

  in the past this was a great place for debate, news and support for ex jws.

  i logged on several times a day and posted several times a week.

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  I don't see any need to ban political discussions from this site. I visit it every day. I do not read every post. And some of those I do read, I click off because they're [1] more full of stupidity than I want to endure; [2] not a subject that interests me; [3] too poorly written to under stand without mentally translating it.

  There is no law that says we must read every post, or that we must agree with everything written. Self edit. Assume some personal responsibility for what you read. This isn't high school or university where you MUST read assigned material. This is a voluntary association, and if you find a topic that makes you grit your teeth, skip it.

  Liberals want to censor everything. Those on the far right love to rant and promote 'theories.' You do not have to read any of that, unless you want entertainment.
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  Please how do someone become an Anointed Christian in Watchtower Organization.

  by bola in

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  2. friends

  please how do someone become an anointed christian in watchtower organization.

  i informed my elders in my congo that i am an anointed christian..

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  bola is either a troll or very stupid or in need of mental health counseling.
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  Catholicism and Orthodoxy- 2000 yrs of experience

  by Powermetal4ever in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  alright this has been in my brain lately: both catholic church and the orthodox church has been around for about 2000 years, shouldn't they know how to practice christendom correctly by now?

  jw hasn't even been around for 200 years and yet they say they do it right.

  so silly of them.

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  If everyone has their own 'truths' there is in fact no truth at all.