Posts by vienne

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A Question For The Scholarly Re Gilgamesh

by jonahstourguide in

hi all.. read this article re the gilgamesh clay tablet.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-21/us-returns-gilgamesh-tablet-to-iraq/100478858.

how does it impact the dating of the biblical flood?

it seems earlier.. i am going to do some research myself to make a comparison.. it's interesting as i have not previously heard of the tablet but have heard of the.

vienne

This is way outside my field of study. But my thought, for what it's worth:

There is no way to successfully date the Biblical account and the various flood myths. All dating is based on speculation and on preference.

Could the 8 survivors noted in the Genesis story refill the earth? Given prolific reproduction [no birth control is a factor here], yes. Whether that could happen in the short time the Bible seems to allow, I do not know. That would take some mathematic calculations based on tones of guess work. But I think you could construct a model of population growth over time. Anyone truly ambitious?

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Are JW Masters of Deception?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

we do know that many of them are masters of deception!

can you give us some examples?

i notice that some worldly people think jw are very honest people but we know better than that!

vienne

Under educated, maybe sometimes. Full of nonsense? Often. Not scripturally literate. But committed to their belief. Masters of deception? Not masters of anything. I think.

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Do JWs buy old JW books to destroy?

by mickbobcat in

i have never heard of this but i doubt its never been done.

i sell some older jw books on etsy and have always been a bit afraid that some jws are buying them to destroy.

if you have heard of this let me know.

vienne

I would love to have a scan of "God, Blood, and Society written by a Scottish doctor called Alfred Derek Farr" Anyone have it?

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2021-08-S-196--Using Enjoy Life Forever! in the Ministry!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

2021-08-s-196--using enjoy life forever!

in the ministry.

english and spanish.

vienne

Thanks

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Is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the WT, charlatanism?

by Disillusioned JW in

is most of the promotion of creationism, not just that by the wt, charlatanism?.

https://www.fullmoon.nu/sources.bak/chapter%2010/part%202/gish%20exposed.html [which has an article called "creationism: bad science or immoral pseudoscience?

- (an expose of creationist dr. duane gish)"] says the following.. 'a look at the "scientific" creationist movement and a close examination of the tactics of a well-known and influential creationist will reveal that the creation "science" movement gains much of its strength through the use of distortion and scientifically unethical tactics.. .... with the facts explained and the lawsuits won, scientists declared victory and returned to their labs and offices.

vienne

I've read Ronald Numbers' book on the subject, and I recommend it in this context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Creationists

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From Paradise Lost To Paradise Regained: Is the WTS the sole promoter of this doctrine?

by Pallbearer in

howdy folks,.

i am interested in learning whether or not the watchtower society is the only religious entity that teaches the "from paradise lost to paradise regained" idea.. the "idea" is that god's original purpose for man and the earth has not changed.

god purposed for adam and eve and their offspring to reproduce and fill the earth and live forever upon it; but the problem of sin entered into the picture and temporarily interrupted that purpose from being completed.

vienne

From Schulz and de Vienne, Separate Identity, vol 2:

"Historic Millenarianism was defined by Norman Cohn in his 1957 work, Pursuit of the Millennium, as the belief held on the authority of Revelation 20:4-6, that after his return Christ would establish a kingdom on earth and would reign over it for a thousand years, followed by a final judgment. Cohn characterized the salvation doctrine of early and medieval millennialist sects as collective. Salvation was to be shared by the elect as a corporate body. It was “to be realized on this earth and not in some otherworldly heaven.” Deliverance was imminent and total, “so that the new dispensation will be no mere improvement on the present earth but perfection itself.” Ultimate salvation, deliverance from this evil world, would be by divine not human means. There were and are variations among millennialists, but over time this is the pattern followed by most who wished to adhere closely to New Testament doctrine. It is with minor exceptions Watch Tower faith in the Russell era."

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Allegheny Pyramid Desecrated

by RolRod in

sometime within the last 2 weeks, someone took a sledgehammer to the pyramid monument in allegheny.

they stole the topstone, smashed the cross and crown emblem and removed the seal.. personally i'm surprised it lasted this long untouched.

although through the years russell's grave has been vandalized, it was always repaired by the bible students..

vienne

The 1994 event: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2017/11/lets-go-rob-pyramid.html

Current vandalism: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-pyramid.html

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The unfolding crisis in Afghanistan is completely Joe Biden's fault, nobody else's

by LoveUniHateExams in

so, there's been a lot of talk on social media, blaming trump for the current crisis that began at the weekend.. it's a load of bullsh!t from deluded people who are desperate to blame anyone but joe biden, the idiot they voted for or at least wanted to win last november.. there is only one person, just one person, to blame: joe biden.. he has the heavy burden of making tough presidential decisions.. and after this debacle, it's reasonable to ask if he's up to making such decisions..

vienne

When you elect a socialist moron, this is what you get. Will Democrats use him as a puppet when he fully slides into dementia, pretending all is well? Or will they replace him with Harris, not quite as mentally fragile, but equally stupid?

Research

by vienne in

b is busy writing volume three of separate identity.

he's posted a request for research assistance on his blog.

are you an adept researcher?

vienne

B is busy writing volume three of Separate Identity. He's posted a request for research assistance on his blog. Are you an adept researcher? Want to probe the W. H. Conley's life, and that of his wife Sarah? Here is an opportunity.

https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2021/08/scandals-and-hand-wringing.html

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Lloyd Evans keeps doing parts on how the JWs are guilty of follwing the bible.

by mickbobcat in

i have been watching evans videos for a while.

he keeps attacking the cult for following the bible.

women are to be subservient to men.

vienne

Like Kim and M, Lloyd's videos are overly dramatic, focus on the irrelevant, sometimes wrong, and too long and repetitious. That said, he isn't as stupid as Mike, and much easier to watch. Neither set of videos is especially convincing.