Avoid? Why?
Posts by vienne
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10AVOID ! : upcoming cult apologists conference
by yalbmert99 infyi:.
the 16-18 of june 2022 in quebec city, laval university, canada, there will be a conference organized by cult apologists cesnur (european) and info-cult/info-sectes (canadian).
some famous cult apologists (massimo introvigne) will be there and some jw mid range leader from ontario david docksteader too.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I think the 'defendants' should email the court, sending links to all his confession videos and post with the explanation that truth is a defense in any civilized country.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Does his legal team exist outside his mind? I think so. It is easy to find a lawyer who will take your money knowing you'll lose or your case has no merit. He doesn't care. He's after an "I tried my best" outcome
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Lloyd Evans is following the path of others with his mental health issues. "You caught me, but look at this. Isn't it worse? And don't I deserve a pass because of it?"
Abusive men use this to justify abusing their wives.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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That his court case will succeed is a vain hope. Even if it did, there will be no repercussions except it would let him 'crow' his innocence. Almost no one will see that as significant, because his character hasn't changed. His case has as much chance of succeeding as a newspaper had of surviving a raging forest fire.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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His court case is a joke. Even if he could bribe a judge to find in his favor, it's still a joke. His hope is that he will by some fluke win and he can shout, "SEEE SEEE." No one will take a win as anything but meaningless.
Not only is his case a joke, but he is too. He serves as a distraction from more important things.
His only course from now on is 'flame out' and crash. He'll end up with 100 or so followers whose personality is as defective as his own.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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view Immature boy Evans videos in the light of this video.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Yes, vint,
I know. I've read it. Seems silly to hide something that has almost nothing that can't be found in other, publicly available publications.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Vintage, I don't mind your words at all. Elders do tend to turn needed consultation into a club. I have no experience with Elders abusing the rules on divorce, but I do not doubt your experience either. Mom in her intro essay to Separate Identity 2 wrote about Watchtower secretiveness:
"An article published in the June 1, 1997, Watchtower said: “True religion in no way practices secretiveness. Worshipers of the true God have been instructed not to hide their identity or to obscure their purpose as Jehovah’s Witnesses. The early disciples of Jesus filled Jerusalem with their teaching. They were out in the open as to their beliefs and activity. The same is true of Jehovah’s Witnesses today.” [Italics are mine.] The same is not always true of Jehovah’s Witnesses today, nor has it been true since the Rutherford era. While their doctrine and practices are easily found in their literature, they withhold historical material. I cannot explain why. I believe an accurately told history of the Watch Tower movement benefits all of the descendant religions.
One of our prepublication readers suggested that Watchtower Society reluctance to open its archives derives from a fear of misrepresentation. Internal matters, policies for church headquarters staff and similar matters generate documents not generally circulated by any religion, though few hold them as secrets. Carolyn Wah, a Watchtower attorney, tried to refute the commonly made observation that the Watchtower is secretive and uncooperative, writing: “As an active Witness for over twenty years, I was initially puzzled by comments indicating that professional researchers had found it difficult to gather information about Jehovah’s Witnesses. Information about the Witnesses is, in fact, voluminous, detailed, and readily accessible. The Watchtower and Awake! magazines have been published ... for many decades and are regularly distributed ... .”[1] She blamed researchers for not consulting available material, quoting Rodney Stark and Laurence Iannaccone’s 1997 article found in Journal of Contemporary Religion which noted lack of serious and thorough research into Jehovah’s Witnesses. Though that situation is slowly improving, we obviously concur with Stark and Iannaccone. Wah is absolutely correct when she suggests that academic researchers should do their homework. Witness doctrine is not secret. It is clearly explained in Watchtower publications. Much of current congregation practice and social structure is elaborated in easily accessible Watchtower publications. "
This continues with examples of Watchtower secretiveness. That a textbook is kept secret is an alien concept to me. No, I don't find offence in anything you've written. Suggesting he return to the Watchtower was not meant seriously.
[1] C. R. Wah: An Introduction to Research and Analysis of Jehovah’s Witnesses: A View from the Watchtower, Review of Religious Research, December 2001, pages 161-174. Among the resources she recommended were two of Firpo Carr’s books, poorly written, neither particularly helpful, and sometimes inaccurate.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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People aren't as stupid as Lloyd seems to think. Isn't that nice? I wish my mother was still alive. I'd love to hear her comments.
Lloyd is a narcissist. As such he has no real out. He will seek ways to forge ahead and blame his situation on others. "Lies all Lies ... Well if it's true it's all your fault ... I didn't do anything wrong. You did." At least Lloyd has provided a break from more serious things. Now if the Lloyd scandal would delay the due date for a major religion class paper.
Lloyd would be better off 'repenting" and returning to the Witnesses. At least he would have some sort of moral guidance. He should thank 'his lucky stars' that he didn't take up a life of crime. He'd been caught on his first 'job.'