Does Lloyd Boy realize that he's become irrelevant? He lost most of his patrons. His videos are on the silly side, repetitious, full of logic faults, resembling a 7 year old's "that's not fair!"
Posts by vienne
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11530It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?
by the-MadJW ini mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.
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I have visited many churches and had more conversations with clergy and lay people than I can count. I probably med a few people who knew God as well as one can. But a church that as a whole that knows God. I haven't found one yet.
Mom associated with an Abrahamic Faith congregation for quite a while. They have some basic similarities to Witnesses without wild prophetic speculation and dictatorial administration. But she left eventually, staying friends with some, but unable to tolerate some behaviors.
Christians are where you find them. I mean a God following individual may be anywhere despite what their church is. Baptists? Hardly. They do not know the Bible and as a group do not follow it.
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Very early Watch Tower Material
by vienne inmany of my posts ask for scans of rare watchtower relevant material.
usually that produces no result.
this time i'm showing images of some.
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1. As I said, these are too fragile to scan
2. Atlantis and I are not on "speaking terms.",
3. They don't belong to me, and I could'nt make the decision in any event.
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Very early Watch Tower Material
by vienne inmany of my posts ask for scans of rare watchtower relevant material.
usually that produces no result.
this time i'm showing images of some.
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vienne
Many of my posts ask for scans of rare Watchtower relevant material. Usually that produces no result. This time I'm showing images of some. Uncle B acquired these, trading off an early songbook and a book of poems. Probably almost none of you have seen these. Please don't ask for scans. I'd make them if these were not very, very fragile. Enjoy:
https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/01/three-booklets.html
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Depending on the source of Witness FDS doctrine, it is either hero worship accepted by the governing body, or a not unexpected but totally out of place pride.
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Two classes for salvation didn't come from Rutherford. Russell believed there were three classes of saved: the 144K, a secondary spiritual class not quite reaching faith required of the 144K, and those who inherited a paradise earth.
Current Witness doctrine derives from earlier 19th Century sources, among them an Anglican writer, Isidore Heath, who wrote The Future Human Kingdom of Christ. This book influenced Henry Dunn. I don't know that Russell read Heath's book, but he read much of Dunn's material as republished by Storrs. None of the heavenly/earthly class teaching came from Rutherford. What he did was to eliminate the thought that there was a secondary, less faithful, heavenly class.
The Separate Identity series [2 vols. so far] considers the origins of Watchtower theology in considerable detail.
https://www.lulu.com/search?contributor=B.+W.+Schulz&page=1&pageSize=10&adult_audience_rating=00
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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vienne
He's not bored. This is a plea to make it all go away. It wont of course. Poor, poor Lloyd boy
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I've met a few Witnesses who claim divine anointing. They're all very old. I think Witness doctrine is off the mark. I don't dispute that some Witnesses receive divine anointing, but I cannot see the 144 thousand number as anything but symbolic.
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Was Satan in Heaven while Christ was crucified?
by Sharpie injust a shower thought came to mind.. while jesus was nailed to the stake/cross (take your pick) because of the witnesses lack of belief in hell.
does that mean according to witness doctrine that satan and his demons were in heaven while jesus was being executed?.
what about after jesus went to heaven?
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vienne
Saran in heaven when Jesus died? I dont know, but you can ask him.
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Research Help, Maybe
by vienne inbetween writing an essay and working part-time, i'm trying to help uncle b with volume three of his separate identity series.
probably most of you know what that is, but in case you do not: shop the independent bookstore | lulu.
volume three traces the fragmentation that occurred after the 1881 failure.
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vienne
Hi everyone,
Between writing an essay and working part-time, I'm trying to help uncle B with volume three of his Separate Identity series. Probably most of you know what that is, but in case you do not: Shop the Independent Bookstore | Lulu
Volume three traces the fragmentation that occurred after the 1881 failure. Resources as we have them are the available issues of Paton's World's Hope, some scattered issues of A. P. Adams' Spirit of the Word, and what issues of Herald of the Morning we could find. There are many missing "bits and pieces."
Missing is a booklet by Barbour critical of Zion's Watch Tower. It's mentioned in The Herald, but seems not to exist. We have two letters by Paton. Neither is important. That is, they don't add to the story. We have Paton's post-Russell books.
No letters by Barbour seem to exist, yet we know he was a prolific letter writer. No issues of H. B. Rice's magazine seem to exist. But these things must be out there somewhere. We need material that plugs research holes. If there are letters by the Russells from the 1880-1890 period, we could not find them. If you can add to any of this, please do. [That's a bit like asking for the deed to the moon.]
I don't need your personal opinion of these men. We're historians, not polemicists. Besides, part of the story is what they say about each other. Not always very nice, as you can imagine.
If you can add to our resources, please do. I appreciate any help you can give.