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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

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  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  vienne

  Fat,

  You may not remember, but I DO.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

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  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  vienne

  "As far as I know, nobody on the forum has ever claimed that her uncle Bruce is posting on this forum, or writing under someone else’s name."

  Mr. Fat has a very short memory, since it was he and one of his playmates that attacked my mother's academic credentials and those of Uncle B. And then suggested that I was Bruce's avatar on this message board. I have had no respect for him since his attack on my mother, my uncle and then on me. One can wish I was more polite, but I see no basis for it.

  And he skips over the facts about the three articles to which R. Franz contributed. Franz tells us in Crisis of Conscience that he did not write the articles from scratch, but that he based them on someone else's work. What Franz contributed is gone, replaced with what was initially contributed and the work of a later watchtower writer. That parts of the original articles persist in Insight is not proof of Mr. Fat's position.

  What's wrong with this board? As far as Uncle B is concerned, it's an apostate site. As far as I'm concerned, many of the posts are ill considered.
  
  
  
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

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  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  vienne

  If there is rudeness in our exchange, it is not one sided.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

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  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  vienne

  I should reiterate that Franz did not start fresh. If you recall, Knorr handed Franz and his team a pile of already written material. If their additions (and one can presume corrections) were removed, some words would remain from the Aid article as written anew for Insight.

  Do we have any proof that the Watchtower changed anything in response to Gentile Times Reconsidered?
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

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  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

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  vienne

  Jef's comment is not relevant. And it is off the mark. The parts of the article that remain are traceable to previously published material that R. Franz had no hand in writing.

  AND the other two articles are totally new articles on the same subject. NAME any other articles R. Franz wrote for Aid. A rewritten article replacing Franz article omits the original article. Do you always have this much trouble with the basic definition of words?
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

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  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

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  vienne

  I've named ALL of his known articles. Name another if you know of one. I did not say his articles were edited. I said he acted as an editor in the Aid Book project.

  The articles are on the same subject, but they are NOT the same articles. As they are in the Insight book, they are by someone else. They are NOT Franz's articles. Those are gone. That what is in the Insight book is on the same subject does not make them the same article.

  You are trying to save face. Period.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

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  slimboyfat9 hours ago
  vienne it’s a bit graceless not to even acknowledge responses from me or Jeffro. I know it’s not pleasant to be wrong, but I hope when others point out a mistake I make that I will be thankful to them for correcting a wrong idea I had, and have the respect and the self confidence to express it.

  I'm waiting. ...
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

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  vienne

  My granduncle would never post here. He has his own history blog. https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ . Unlike the nonsense often posted here, you can rely on it to be well researched and as accurate as possible. You won't find the nonsense recently written about John Aquila Brown there, because what was said here was way off the mark. You will find a reliable biography of Brown. And in Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet you will find a reliable discussion of Brown's place in Watch Tower history.

  You won't find the utter nonsense about the Masons and the Watch Tower that seeps from the gullible into our discussions. You will find an accurate, verifiable discussion of that topic in Separate Identity, vol. one. Posters have a responsibility to those who read this discussion board to be truthful and as accurate as possible.

  Uncle B is a long-serving Witness, but he is also a well respected, honest historian, a Fellow of the Royal Historical Society. He attended his first convention in 1952. Makes him old, and a bit of living history.
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  I’ll start this with a few generalized comments about Aid to Bible Understanding. Raymond Franz did not write it. He was coordinator of an editorial committee. A few of the articles are his, but not many. Articles were farmed out to various Witnesses; about two hundred fifty from “more than 90 countries” contributed.[1] That Franz did not write the entire book does not diminish he role as coordinator of the editorial committee. Some of you may have filled an editorial role and know how important that work is to a quality finished product.

  The impression of some of those reading Crisis of Conscience is that Franz was responsible for everything. He says differently, crediting Edward Dunlap with a large share of the work, and noting that he was part of a larger group, that included Reinhard Lengtat and John Wischuk.[2] While critical of the ability of some of those chosen to write articles, he inadvertently tells us that much of the work was done before he came into the project.[3]

  I asserted earlier that a few articles in Aid can reliably be assigned to R. Franz. The most obvious are “Chronology” (part), “Older Man” and “Overseer.” We can assign these to Franz because he indicates that he was the primary researcher.[4]

  When I said that the Watchtower Society deleted Franz’ articles replacing them with something else when Insight on the Scriptures was published, it raised the hackles of a few of you. S. B. Fat denied this was true, saying that anyone could compare the two books and see that the articles were the same. It was a good suggestion. But of those engaging in this conversation, only Jefro did so. And though his comments were limited, he acknowledged some changes.

  Some of the original article remains in Insight. The portions that remain are derived from, paraphrase and repeat, previously written material found scattered through Watch Tower publications from the blue paper chart (1923) to All Scripture Inspired and Beneficial and Watchtower articles more recently published. Much of the original manuscript material was derived from previous Watch Tower publications. An example is the article “Zipporah” (Aid, page 1693) where the explanation of the phrase “Bridegroom of Blood” as explained in paragraph four is derived from the 1948 Watchtower.

  The article as it appears in Aid is 23 pages of fine print. The article as it appears in Insight is 19 pages of larger print. What remains is what, in my opinion, was in the original manuscript as Franz received it from Knorr. We can pass on from my supposition to more solid evidence.

  Those insisting that the Insight articles Older Man and Overseer are as they appeared in the Aid to Bible Understanding should have followed their own advice and compared the two. Older Man as it appears in Insight has been totally rewritten, rephrasing some thoughts and omitting large portions. The same is true of the article titled Overseer.

  Mr. Fat thinks I owed him obeisance as the corrector of my wrong statements. I do not. I view most of what he says on this board with considerable skepticism or disdain. He is more often wrong than right.

  I may not be as knowledgeable in this field as was my mother, but I’m not stupid. And by now in my education – I’m a post-graduate student – I know how to research. Apparently Mr. Fat does not.

  [1] The Approaching Peace of a Thousand Years: “Peace on Earth” International Assembly of Jehovah’s Witnesses, 1969, page 19.

  [2] R. Franz: Crisis of Conscience, 1988, 21.

  [3] R. Franz: Crisis of Conscience, page 20.

  [4] R. Franz: Crisis of Conscience, page 22, notes that he was assigned to research and write the articles Older Man, and Overseer. Page 25 notes that he was one of those responsible for the article on Chronology.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  vienne

  i'm not wrong.