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  Jehovah's Witnesses and Mental Health

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. beliefs

  this psychiatrist makes sense to me.. https://youtu.be/l5wcqc6m-gi.

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  vienne

  Somewhere, (I'm not hunting for it) I read that one of his degrees was related to security issues. I don't know if that's accurate. He is a well-known young-earth creationist. The quality of his writing is pretty much indifferent.

  He claims to be a Fellow of the American Scientific Affiliation. They do not award Fellowships.

  i've never pursued his educational claims which are::

  Education

  • M.S.O.H. (Master of Science in Occupational Health), Medical College of Ohio, Toledo, Ohio, 2004.
  • M.P.H. M.P.H. (Master of Science in Public Health), Northwest Ohio Consortium for Public Health (Medical College of Ohio, Toledo, Ohio; University of Toledo, Toledo, Ohio; Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green, Ohio), 2001.
  • M.S.B.S. (Master of Science in Biomedical Science), Medical College of Ohio, Toledo, Ohio, 1999.
  • Ph.D. in human biology, Columbia Pacific University, San Rafael, California, 1992. [An infamous diploma mill.]
  • M.A. in social psychology, Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green, Ohio, 1986.
  • Ph.D. in measurement and evaluation, minor in psychology, Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan, 1976.
  • M.Ed. in counseling and psychology, Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan, 1971.
  • B.S., Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan, 1970. Major area of study was sociology, biology, and psychology.
  • A.A. in Biology and Behavioral Science, Oakland Community College, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, 1967.
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  Colossian 1:16 - "all OTHER things"

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  due to their apparent theological bias, the watchtower shamelessly inserts the word "other" in order to "make room" for their own idea that jesus is also a created being.

  it is clear that jehovah's witnesses try to avoid having to admit that christ created everything because "the one who constructed all things is god" (hebrews 3:4).

  instead, the society teaches that "christ was the only one created by god," and that then he "created everything else with jehovah.

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  "It is even conceptually impossible, since only God can create. Creation is an exclusively divine ability, and no created being can even serve as a means for creation. God is the unique source of creation, as He does not cooperate with any tools, partners, or materials in the work of creation. God's creative activity is exclusive. No one and nothing can create as God does. The creative capacity of God is an incommunicable attribute for any creature. To be able to create, that is, to bring existence from nonexistence, one must be God."

  None of these claims are supported by scripture. The prepositional phrase ἐν αὐτῷ does not read "by him" but "in him." That implies agency not actor. Christ is, according to Paul, the agent of God's creation. He is not the originator of it nor the designer of it.

  Additionally, Paul uses the metaphor of a son's relationship to his father. He is the image of God. The word translated image derives from the impress of a master die on a coin. Christ is not the original, but the 'spitting image' of God. He is begotten - called elsewhere the 'only begotten' son. The very word implies an origin. And we have an origin attached to him in Malachi and in 1 John. John describes Jesus as ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς, that is "from the beginning," and Malachi describes Jesus as having an origin. Five / two reads according to the AV " But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." The Hebrew from which "goings forth" is derived implies an origin.

  No matter what slant one puts on "firstborn" - whether we take it to me 'principal one" or literally 'first of all' it is still "of creation." Jesus is classed with creation. He is the agent of the creator.

  In Colossians Paul is refuting a Gnostic sect prevalent in Colossae that taught that there were many intermediaries between God and man. Paul says there is only one, Jesus who is God's first work, his firstborn, who is "of creation."

  You misstate Watchtower belief. You craft straw man arguments. You seek to diminish Slim's arguments by insulting his sources rather than refuting the actual point. An example is your comment on John Locke whose "Reasonableness of Christianity" is a classic. The issue here is what the Scriptures actually say, not what the vain philosophies of speculative writers have said. And restating how you wish it to be is not proof of your claims. Much of your 'argument' is based on one of the major logic flaws: that of repetition of claims without further proof.

  I've had my say, I suppose. Now I leave this to you two to hash out.
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  Colossian 1:16 - "all OTHER things"

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  due to their apparent theological bias, the watchtower shamelessly inserts the word "other" in order to "make room" for their own idea that jesus is also a created being.

  it is clear that jehovah's witnesses try to avoid having to admit that christ created everything because "the one who constructed all things is god" (hebrews 3:4).

  instead, the society teaches that "christ was the only one created by god," and that then he "created everything else with jehovah.

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  Do you even know who John Locke was? His place in Christian history? You spew but you do not address the arguments.
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  Colossian 1:16 - "all OTHER things"

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  due to their apparent theological bias, the watchtower shamelessly inserts the word "other" in order to "make room" for their own idea that jesus is also a created being.

  it is clear that jehovah's witnesses try to avoid having to admit that christ created everything because "the one who constructed all things is god" (hebrews 3:4).

  instead, the society teaches that "christ was the only one created by god," and that then he "created everything else with jehovah.

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  aqws is fond of strawman arguments and false assumptions. They allow him to avoid the point.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

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  vienne

  How like Lloyd-boy.

  https://news.yahoo.com/heres-stop-argument-narcissist-spinning-154756375.html
  
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  vienne

  as a reminder, i didn't write separate identity. uncle b and mom did. mom died abot 4 years ago, only in her 40s.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Slim,

  You have my profoundest apologies. I confused you with another poster, Sea Breeze, who attacked me, my uncle and mother. Though you did contribute to the 'conversation' you did not attack any of us.

  nots,

  I quoted from F. Franz's own book. And from a Watch Tower publication.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  vienne

  Fat,

  You may not remember, but I DO.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  vienne

  "As far as I know, nobody on the forum has ever claimed that her uncle Bruce is posting on this forum, or writing under someone else’s name."

  Mr. Fat has a very short memory, since it was he and one of his playmates that attacked my mother's academic credentials and those of Uncle B. And then suggested that I was Bruce's avatar on this message board. I have had no respect for him since his attack on my mother, my uncle and then on me. One can wish I was more polite, but I see no basis for it.

  And he skips over the facts about the three articles to which R. Franz contributed. Franz tells us in Crisis of Conscience that he did not write the articles from scratch, but that he based them on someone else's work. What Franz contributed is gone, replaced with what was initially contributed and the work of a later watchtower writer. That parts of the original articles persist in Insight is not proof of Mr. Fat's position.

  What's wrong with this board? As far as Uncle B is concerned, it's an apostate site. As far as I'm concerned, many of the posts are ill considered.
  
  
  
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  vienne

  If there is rudeness in our exchange, it is not one sided.