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  Treatment of Those Trying For Reinstatement

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  what happens when a jehovah’s witness who has been disfellowshipped returns to attending the meetings again?.

  mark jones writes:.

  if it's the same congregation that they previously attended then, yes, the congregation will remember who they are and so continue to treat them as dead or invisible.. one of the identifying marks a cult is that it uses shame and humiliation to control members, to keep them from leaving and manipulating those who escaped into coming back.. a disfellowshipped person is never allowed to quietly leave with dignity.

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  I am an outsider. So I write this from that perspective. The Watchtower only trains its elders in procedures. Where is the in-depth scripture training? They appear to believe that weekly meetings provide enough. Yet, when I talk to them, I find them largely ignorant of the Bible's content. This is inexcusable.

  How clergy treat the flock identifies them either as true disciples of Christ or wolves. I wasn't there to see it, but I believe Lee's story. There is no compassion in the hearts of men such as that. Compassion is possible even when a religion has strict standards.

  I have met some Witness elders who are both kind and true students of the Bible. They are few. I disagree with Witness theology in several key areas. But it is how their authority figures act that really repels me.

  Anastasia (Annie)
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

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  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  not what the Watchtower actually teaches.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  His 'mind', such as it is, is like the Colorado River. Shallow, and in so deep a channel he'll never find a new path.
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  Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

  the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

  he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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  This is an example of irrational response to the plain voice of scripture. All for the sake of maintaining a doctrine not taught in the Bible but borrowed from paganism. You're converting no one.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Lloyd is searching for relevance. Not finding it, of course. But searching.
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  My escape from the Watchtower after 35 years and their heinous false allegations!

  by gavindlt in

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  i created a site called www.dadseekingtruth.com to tell my journey since walking away from being a slave of the watchtower for 35 years.

  i left on the 21st february on my 56th birthday.. .

  i was sentenced to 5 years for my neutral stand in south africa.

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  Down vote this if you must, but I am skeptical. Too many questions to take this at face value.
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  History Puzzle

  by vienne in

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  i'm trying to solve a mystery for uncle b. he owns three antique tracts that were bound into one volume for william morris wright, for six years a society director.

  two are easy to identify.

  its title is: "the times of the gentiles, and the things which are.

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  Jeff is very belpful.
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  History Puzzle

  by vienne in

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  i'm trying to solve a mystery for uncle b. he owns three antique tracts that were bound into one volume for william morris wright, for six years a society director.

  two are easy to identify.

  its title is: "the times of the gentiles, and the things which are.

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  The truthhistory blog belongs to B. W. Schulz, FRHistS. He's my uncle B. The author oc that post is a Wwitness. I appreciate your help and the links.
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  Do you agree with this?

  by vienne in

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  new post to the history blog: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/05/typical-nonsense.html.

  i agree that in the russell and rutherford eras there was little actual scriptural refutation.

  fine!

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  New post to the history blog: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/05/typical-nonsense.html

  I agree that in the Russell and Rutherford eras there was little actual scriptural refutation. Fine! True ... But, if 'truth' pours out the the mouth of a disreputable man, is it ethical to note his behavior as part of one's refutation? I hope that sentence made sense. I'm thinking in general terms. Much of what is written about Russell and Rutherford's character is myth. And, of course, those reporting accusations should verify them first.

  When mom was assisting uncle B write the first two Separate Identity books, she talked B into removing part of a footnote that reported the prison sentence of the author of an academic article. So the footnote only focuses on the man's sloppy research. What do you think?
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  Does the WTS have a clergy class (yes-no)

  by blondie in

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  wt 2021 october p.20 "in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

  although we respect those who are taking the lead, we accept jesus’ clear teaching: “all of you are brothers.”".

  ijbq article 92 point 6: in contrast, true worshippers of jehovah have no clergy.

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  Of course they have a clergy. Elders, Deacons, Bishops, etc. Except they call them Elders, Ministerial Servants, and Circuit Overseers.

  And IF you think they're all on a equal footing, attend a regional convention or circuit overseer's visit and listen to the introductions.